02-12-2003 02:50									#1
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Surely they aren't calculated with happy citizens. I just got done with Napoleonic wars as France, nad I had nothing but unhappy citizens . War wearines is a backbreaker in that one. And every nation had a trade embargo against me.

Even though it seemed like I was struggling in that game I got the second highest score on the scenario Hall of Fame. How is that? A game in which I completely dominated- Mesoamerica- got the lowest score. I don't understand.

	02-12-2003 03:06									#2
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How much did you dominate in that game?

	02-12-2003 03:19									#3
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Here is what I found awhile back and it is the best data I have come across on this subject so far. C3C have new levels, so some changes may have been impletemented.


SCORES in Civ III

Everything is multiplied by the difficulty factor. 1-6, Chieftain-Deity.

Population consists of 1 point for every specialist or content citizen in your civ, and 2 points for every happy citizen. This score is multiplied by Difficulty.

Territory is 1 point for every tile within your cultural borders. This score is multiplied by Difficulty.

Future technology I'm not sure on, but it's something like 50 points per each. This score is multiplied by Difficulty. I think this is a one time only deal as well, either that or it's significantly lower than 50 points. The most tech score I've ever gotten was 17.7 points with 26 future techs on Deity, so basically it's a non-factor anyways.

Adding Population + Territory + Technology up gives you your turn score. Adding up every turn score and then dividing by the number of turns played yeilds the base score. Then the bonus is added.

The bonus is simply by date, the formala is (2050 - Date) * Difficulty. It is awarded for any victory condition.

	02-12-2003 03:21									#4
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BTW I don't understand why they could not give the correct formula in a readme. It should not be a state secret or anything.

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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion How much did you dominate in that game?

as the aztecs in mesoamerica I did very well. I have a thread on mesoamerica- but not too many responses. maybe that isn't a popular scenario.

But I was playing a fairly easy level- either warlord or regent- not sure, I'd have to check.

But as the aztecs I wiped out every single civ except for the Incas. I won the game by a domination victory. I had cities from the top of the map all the way to the Incas. Many were newly constructed cities, their populations were probably still low.

I'm thinking Victory Points comes into play maybe? As France I only had 15% of the land area. I obviously had more as the Aztecs. And my French population wasn't all that great either, and many were entertainers just to keep my citizens content- I had very few happy citizens.

Oh well, no biggie. It's really too difficult to compare how you did in one scenario to another anyways. The scenarios can be very different from each other.

	08-12-2003 14:59									#6
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I still wish I knew how they were calculated.

Also I'm wondering if the hall of fame updates if you beat the score you first won that particular scenario with. Anyone know for sure?

I have just completed my second scenario a second time. And again I played at a difficulty level 2 levels higher than the first time. It would seem I would have a higher score, but no score is calculated after beating the game and the hall of fame is not updated.

The scenarios were Age of Discovery and Mesopotamia. Though it is possible that my score was lower because in Age of Discovery I played at the Aztecs and only had 6 cities and won by the single city cultural victory. And in Mesopotamia I only managed to get 2 wonders but won with the higher score due to high population mainly- I played as the Egyptians. But the thing is, playing at a higher level actually yields less cities and less wonders respectively, but the challenge is higher .

Yeah part of the thrill for me is beating my old scores and having that show up on the hall of fame. Does anyone know if this happens? I always like to better myself and my score.

	09-12-2003 01:33									#7
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Well, in the scenarios there is a limit of victory points that is preset. When you achive this limit, you win. So you can only get a little increase in points (depending on how many points you achive the last turn before you hit the limit) from time to time.

In the normal game, you have victory score, but in the scenarios victory points can be a winning factor and this is what you compete against. If you win by any other winning factor, your victory point will be your score (so winning by points will therefore give a higher number)

	09-12-2003 01:55									#8
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The Conquests are scored in a few different ways, this is described briefly in the pop up description at the start of the scenario.

Napoleonic Europe has Victory Point scoring, in this mission you get 25 Victory Points for each turn you hold a VP location (with the obelisk), 5 VP's x cost for each enemy unit you kill (ie you would get 10 VPs for killing a 20 shield cost unit), and 100 VP's x city population for each city you capture (ie, you would get 500 VP's for taking a city with 5 citizens). The standard scoring factors of population and happy citizens etc are not used at all for calculating the score in this scenario.

Briefly the other scenarios are scored by
Mesopotamia - VP's with Wonder Victory enabled
Rise of Rome - standard scoring
Fall of Rome - VP's
Middle Ages - VP's
Mesoamerica - standard scoring
Age of Discovery - VP's
Sengoku - standard scoring
Napoleonic Europe - VP's
WWII in the Pacific - VP's

VP's can, and do, have different values set in different scenarios.

	09-12-2003 02:30									#9
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Thanks for the response. It always seems like there's a little bonus added on at the very end. If I check the F9 screen the turn before victory, and then check the score after the game is complete in the hall of fame- the values will be different.

Okay I ran a little test. I deleted the hall of fame file in conquests. and reloaded my games (I always save my games the turn before victory)

The good is that higher scores do replace lower scores on the hall of fame. This is good because it gives me incentive to strive for a higher score.

The bad is my victories on higher difficulties often result in lower scores. Often I cannot build as many wonders or conquer as many cities as I can in the lower levels. My first few scenarios I played on warlord . Yes I know- but I hadn't played civ3 in almost a year, I wasn't sure how hard they would. I quickly found out warlord was way too easy. But my monarch games do not score as high as my warlord games . Although on the age of discvery I played a native american civ and only had 6 cities and won by culturual victory.

I think the multiplier for difficulty level should be higher- if there is one.

	09-12-2003 02:34									#10
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Also, does anyone know if there is a way to see the Civ3 standard and Civ3 ptw hall of fame screens from within the games? I checked the directory, and those files still exist- you just can't see those high scores anymore