03-12-2003 02:07									#1
	Best/worst govs for old tribes?? Inflate your Upload Space

I guess all of us have noticed that in the brief booklet that comes with Conquests, for every new tribe introduced a favorite type of government is suggested, as well as the one you should definitely avoid when playing with that specific tribe.

Has anyone any idea about the best and worst type of government for the tribes initially present in the original game?? I usually play with Greeks (I live in Athens after all!!) and I am really interested in finding such a precious piece of information.

	03-12-2003 03:24									#2
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If you are refering to the Shunned and Preferred, it is nearly meaningless. The Greeks prefer Democracy and shun Despotism.

	03-12-2003 05:05									#3
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That's exactly what I mean. Thanx so much, I was almost sure that democracy was the best suited gov for greeks after experiments I did with all different types available. But I think I will disagree with you since it seems to me (at least till now, and with the new tribes) that the preffered gov does function indeed better to a less or greater degree.

Could you please tell me where did you find the information? I would like to have the whole picture with preffered govs for all tribes....

	03-12-2003 05:48									#4
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It is under "personality" in the editor. The impact is very slight on the AI attitude:

AI’s favorite/shunned governments:
-5 Favorite government (only applies if both you and the AI are in this government)
+4 Shunned government (only applies if you are in this government and the AI is not)

The worst that can happen is you switch from the AI’s favorite government, that you both are in, then only you switch to the AI’s shunned government (net result +9). An example would be if you switch from despotism to republic and Egypt, Zulu, or Celts stays in despotism or goes to Monarchy. Or you go to Monarchy and the Aztecs stay in Despotism or goes to Republic. Mongols is the other civ that favors despotism, but democracy is their shunned government.

Favorite governments:
Despotism: 5 AI
Republic: 6 AI
Monarchy: 6 AI
Democracy: 4 AI
Communism: 3 AI

Shunned governments:
Despotism: 7 AI
Republic: 7 AI
Monarchy: 4 AI
Democracy: 2 AI
Communism: 4 AI

	03-12-2003 06:14									#5
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Thank you very much vmxa1, you seem to know in a great depth how all this stuff works. Actually I never bothered to investigate editor's things. And to be honest, I never imagined that how a gov affects your playgame (even slightly) depends on the AI's gov....

	03-12-2003 06:21									#6
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Wait! Just realized there must have been a misunderstanding in what we are discussing up to till now!! When we say favorite and shunned govs, we try to indicate that AI's who prefer democracy for examply will be friendly to me if I use democracy as well???

I thought that by saying "favorite" we meant that the tribe would perform better under this specific government.... What is wrong and what is right my friend finally??

	03-12-2003 10:32									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Crimson Phalanx Wait! Just realized there must have been a misunderstanding in what we are discussing up to till now!! When we say favorite and shunned govs, we try to indicate that AI's who prefer democracy for examply will be friendly to me if I use democracy as well??? I thought that by saying "favorite" we meant that the tribe would perform better under this specific government.... What is wrong and what is right my friend finally??

It is how they will see others if they are in that form of government. So if they have Monarchy as a fav and you are in Mon, that is going to gain you some points. It does not mean they will use that form of gov or do better in it.

Most of what I know about civ, I learned here over the past couple of years.

That bit I posted was from Bamspeedy and his article on AI attitudes. You may be able to find the thing here or over at civfanatics.

	03-12-2003 15:25									#8
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CP - no civ gets a special bonus or negative from being in a particular Government form. Agricultural civs will get +1 food in every city as long as they are not in Despotism or Anarchy, and there are some other similar effects, but these are a result of the civ attribute (Industrious etc) rather than the Government.

	04-12-2003 02:35									#9
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Thanx guys, it is good that I had it clear in my head finally!! And yes, you are right, those forums are an incredible source of knowledge about the game, it is such a pitty I didn't "study" them enough before!!...