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Soviet Union will only take the Finnish cities of Helsinki and Oulu and the Turkish cities of Ankara and Kayseri. We are interested in securing Leningrad and The Caucasus, not occupying neutral countries that really don't benefit us at all. The USSR could have opposed the German invasion of Lithuania, as the country clearly belongs in the Soviet sphere, but we wanted to evade a conflict and backed down. We were not interested in expanding borders further west because it is vain.
We agree with Germany that Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Western Turkey are legally hers. France should mind her own business and stop causing crises that will eventually draw the whole Europe into a bloody war.
A crowd of Turkish communists celebrate the new peace treaty between Britain and the USSR. Future looks bright indeed...
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And, you don't have to recognize the treaty |
When the future of a souvereign nation is at stake I have exactly the same rights as you have. If you feel that it is correct to give away what is not rightfully yours, I feel perfectly right to acquire what should rightfully be German. I am aware that the regions mentioned in the treaty are belonging to the Russian sphere of influence but then, Germany has ungranted territorial rights, too.
What has the USA to say about all this?
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Buenos Aires, ARGENTINA
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Well, first of all, let me tell you that (believe it or not) USA isnīt the ruler of the world and we donīt have the power to decide the fate of sovereign nations.
Letīs see...
Anglo-Russian Treaty
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Article 2: The Soviet Union's territorial soverignity shall extend to the borders of the former Russian Empire and shall include the Republic of Turkey. |
USA thinks that this is nonsense. Neither USRR nor Britain have the right to include Turkey in the negotiations. USSR and UK went to "war"  not Turkey. they didnīt even "fight" in turkish soil.
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Germany demands the same benefits that are granted to Russia. This means extending the German borders to the Allies of Germany in WW1, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Eastern Turkey. |
Germany already annexed some territories. No need to expand more
However, we support german point of view regarding the "russian benefits" in Turkey.
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Why should Russia get what remains forbidden for Germany? Germany also wants its former borders back and what gives you the right to 'gift' the souvereign Turkish Republic to Russia? |
Former borders? Russia had former borders in Turkish soil? have they ever owned turkey?
And Germany is asking for former allies land, not own land.
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Sure, you can have territorial soveriginity over the former German Empire. What you were asking for before, was your allies land too. |
Agree with that.
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And, you don't have to recognize the treaty. It is a bilateral treaty between two old friends. Nothing in it requires your agreement or acceptance. |
Agree with that... but "old friends"
Anyway, not recognizing that treaty may lead to unpleasant consequences for everyone. UK and USSR must know that.
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Soviet Union will only take the Finnish cities of Helsinki and Oulu and the Turkish cities of Ankara and Kayseri. We are interested in securing Leningrad and The Caucasus, not occupying neutral countries that really don't benefit us at all. The USSR could have opposed the German invasion of Lithuania, as the country clearly belongs in the Soviet sphere, but we wanted to evade a conflict and backed down. We were not interested in expanding borders further west because it is vain. |
Your actions contradict your statements.
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We agree with Germany that Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Western Turkey are legally hers. France should mind her own business and stop causing crises that will eventually draw the whole Europe into a bloody war. |
This is weird...
Germany again:
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When the future of a souvereign nation is at stake I have exactly the same rights as you have. If you feel that it is correct to give away what is not rightfully yours, I feel perfectly right to acquire what should rightfully be German. I am aware that the regions mentioned in the treaty are belonging to the Russian sphere of influence but then, Germany has ungranted territorial rights, too. |
So... it seems that Russia and Germany should begin to negotiate and divide eastern europe between them.
To sum up, this is pure diplomatic bullshit.
Everybody have their own territorial claims. Of course UK and France are the ones who may get the smaller piece of the cake...
USA feels unpleasant and dizzy about these stupid european territorial problems. You already led the world to a global conflict... do you want to do it again?
I STRONGLY suggest you to make up your mind and solve these problems.
Just a warning:
If you want to ignore neutral nations sovereignity and capture their lands, ok. you can do it. But remember what happened 20 years ago.
Please, donīt disturb USA with nuisances. Time is money!!
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Originally posted by academia
This is weird...
So... it seems that Russia and Germany should begin to negotiate and divide eastern europe between them.
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Eastern Europe was already divided over a year ago. We agreed that the Balkans and Istanbul belong to Germany. I would still like to honor that agreement.
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Eastern Europe was already divided over a year ago. We agreed that the Balkans and Istanbul belong to Germany. I would still like to honor that agreement. |
So do I.
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- Helsinki captured
 Attachment: ussr1937july.zip
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).
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Preparing for war, praying for peace. |
Are you kidding? You drive the wohle world into war and pray for peace? LOL
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And Germany will not tolerate Britain dividing eastern europe while pretending to be the just one. As you may remember, I voluntarily stopped annexing eastern Europe because of European peace. And now you threaten me with War? You stay with Britain although they deliver your defenseless nations to Russia? I will not tolerate your badness. If you want war, well, Germany is prepared to fight you back!
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How could I possibly not have a Mozambican flag, I mean, what other country has an AK-47 on their flag?
Jul 2003
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I divided Eastern Europe? If I did, then France gets everything in West Germany and northern Italy, excluding Hamburg, Kiel, and the northern areas. Britian gets East Germany, Southern Itlay, Kiel, Hamburg, and all coastal areas. Russia gets everything west of Italy, ecluding Austria. Austria is to be divided into three zones, one for each nation. And, Japan and America have the right to, collectively deny the right to trade in Europe to any nation not previously mentioned.
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Is Hitler playing this gaem? It seems like it. All the signs: Paranoid anti-communist, supporter of persecution, attacking innocent, weak nations in Europe, what more proof do I need? |
Do you want to insult me personally?
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The Soviet Union strongly opposes Japan's illegal occupation of Thailand.
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