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Aggie
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Of GOW's half of BOB
Jun 2002
time: 23:32
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I looked at the save and did the recon. There are NO GS troops up north.
Now to the south. Here are our movement options for this turn.
This option is safetest, since we can send catapults. Also it has the advantage that, unless GS does a recon or moves by the hill, they won't see us. also this allows us to build the road to the hills. This way our forces can retreat safetly if things go wrong near barcelona. The downside is that we are on desert and even with 3.75 defense or still at a disadvanatage(48%). However, we can get catapults there to protect us.
This option has the advantage of putting us on a hill, that gives us(with the roads) the option of attacking Barcelona next turn. However, it does tell GS "we are coming" and any troops that are east of barcelona can run to either the city or hills around it. Thus atatck on it is more difficult. However, with this hill held, it is safe to build a road on the desert and thus insure retreat and resupply ability.
This is the "daring option". with this we WILL be vulnerable to counterattack, but WILL be guarenteed an attack option on barcelona next turn. Additionaly we will insure that NO forces that are east of us, can retrun to safety. Depending on if the hill to the w has gs troops or not, this could also protect our worker building a road.
Of course we could alwats wait until next turn, but that would only increase the riders by 2. But several of those would be Elite.
Aggie
Last edited by Aggie on 04-12-2003 at 22:58
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:32
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The Situation
Ok, I proceeded to play the turn, feeling luck, going with the "Daring Plan™". But alas, a few surprises presented themselves. First of all, the map:
As you can see, there are 5 total GS stacks in the are, two of them mildly significant. However, I noticed there is a flaw in Aggie's plan, in that we can't move all 18 riders into the desert tile, only 11, since the other 7 are too far away to reach there on time (the ones on the mointains near Alamo).
Now, GS has a total of 8 offensive units which are in range of our scout (actually 15 but the 6 on the mountain can't make it, neither can the MI on the saltpeter). The most surprising thing are the two settlers which are just to the west of barcelona, and we all know those are going... 
So, we're in a bit of a problem. On one hand, GS does not have enough units to be a threat, BUT I would much rather kill them off before they found cities, or before reinforcemetns arrive, hence this turn will be rather important and we must establish ourselves in a good position.
IMO we should think of the following:
We continue with the "Daring Plan" and move 11 riders on the desert tile. However, the question remains on what to do with the remaining 7 riders. We can:
1) move them to the plain 4-7 from the saltpeter, send in the workers to make the road, and move our cats. it's 7 vs 8 offensive units should they choose to attack that stack. The benefit is that we can get the road done, but the downside is that GS can cosolidate on the hill 7 from the saltpeter (the one with the blue star) since they can move their 6 knights from the mountain there.
2) move them on the hill 7 from the saltpeter. Here we could be subjected to attack by 14 units. Not wise IMO.
3) move them on the hill 4 from the saltpeter. Their 8 units below can attack but we are on a hill.
4) we can move ALL our units (17) on that same hill. This is the safest option but the problem is that there is absolutely no way to cut transit from the 2 settlers, or for GS units to retreat towards Barcelona. The 11 riders on the desert tile, despite the fact they may suffer heavy casualties are at least delaying this from happening. However, with too many casualites it will be hard to follow up on any plan.
btw, only plan 1 allows us to safely move the workers and cats into position.
So, what do you guys think? The only move made so far is the scout. Please discuss before we play the turn.
-MZ
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Aggie
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Of GOW's half of BOB
Jun 2002
time: 23:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Master Zen
they can't found the city next turn, that's a fact, however it is very likely that GS will stack next turn and even with 17 riders it'll be a hard nut to crack (in other words, I doubt we'll have enough riders left to defeat both these units and attack Barcelona)
Why don't we just assault Pamplona with ND next turn? |
Actually ND can't assault Pamploma till the turn after next, but we have 14 new riders that will be there or the following turn. I was planning on those being committed to that attack.
I've seen enough concern in this column to decide that due to MY mistake last turn, we can't do daring. So lets just move our forces to cover the workers. With catapults et al we can safetly weaken them then attack. I believe they have nothing else in this area and no more pike could reach the combat area.
Yes this might mean that we can't go after barcelona, but defeating these forces will accomplish a great deal of damage and combined with the new assault coming against Pamploma will open the way for our final victory.
They could be using these settlers for 1 or 2 reason. For fort cities or to get SP or Lux(the ideal spot is 1s of SP, they get both). If they move for sp then its ok because unless they do recon, they might not see us and thus might not stack. Even if they do stack and we get into a battle/seige we still win in the end. Remember we have 19 Riders total for battle next turn+a few(very few ansars). We can shell them and weaken them then attack. Or we could attack them, then shell to weaken them to the point of nothing, then destroy them. Of course we must attack weakened units the same turn or they recover 1hp(2 if they get city), but this is possible. We might not kill them all but we'll get most probably and tie down these forces so that the pamploma assault will proceed as palnned.
Aggie
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