06-12-2003 04:01									#31
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One more reason to party hard this weekend!!

	06-12-2003 05:08									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean I think he was joking Nikolai Asmodean

You're probably right. I have had much to do today, so I didn't read it all good enough I guess.

	06-12-2003 07:38									#33
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so they're finally releasing Civ2.75 About time

	06-12-2003 08:55									#34
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I have a feeling Civ4 will use the same 3D engine they licensed for pirates 2. We'll finally get 3D terran and maybe a nice dynamic 3D city view.

I know, these are peanuts, but nice additions, especially the city view. I've always wanted a more dynamic city view that reflects the uniqueness of each city, and subtleties of changes throughout the ages. Imagine watching your captial city in 3D with smoke emerging from the temples, the sun the background, and the palace off in the distance. And with each era, the buildings change etc.

I think even the bare minimum 3D card these days can do images like that.

	06-12-2003 09:37									#35
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Yeah! Amazing!

Celebration!

(See- to all you people who said, after I started making those lists for Civ IV suggestions the month after Civ III was released- IT WILL COME!)

	06-12-2003 12:32									#36
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I'm looking forward to what Civilization IV will have to offer.

	06-12-2003 12:32									#37
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they are giving Xmas presents early this year.

	06-12-2003 12:55									#38
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They will have to do a major overhaul for it to be a success.

They said they were interested in Massively Multiplayer, maybe they will go 3D and have it as an MM game.

Sony was working on something similar, I think it was called Imperial or something...

	06-12-2003 13:19									#39
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having the multiplayer sort of work liek the diablo multiplayer or nwn multiplayer might be something to think about

like have servers set up to play multiplayer on, where you can come in and out without too much hassle (and there are always peopel to play with)

and also being able to play on your home lan

Jon Miller

	06-12-2003 13:39									#40
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Civ 2 lasted about 8 years before Civ 3. Civ 3 seemingly will last only about 3 years before Civ 4. Is this an indictment of Civ 3? I'm thinking it is. Discuss....

	06-12-2003 13:46									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py They will have to do a major overhaul for it to be a success. They said they were interested in Massively Multiplayer, maybe they will go 3D and have it as an MM game. Sony was working on something similar, I think it was called Imperial or something...

How could they do it Massively Multiplayer? A Gigantic 10,000x10,000 Map with 1000 Civs? You'd need a Pentium 20 server to run that.

	06-12-2003 14:51									#42
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Civ 2 lasted about 8 years before Civ 3. Civ 3 seemingly will last only about 3 years before Civ 4. Is this an indictment of Civ 3? I'm thinking it is. Discuss....

civ3 was delayed due to microprose (who had the name rights) not having any good people(sid, brian and co) and/or resources to do it. smac with earth graphics(more or less, you get the idea) would be civ3 if the firaxians were still on mps

beyond that, notice that there is still no official announcement. pirates is already announced and coming in 2004. i'm thinking at least 2005 for civ4
civ3 was released in 2001 so that's 4 years, a pretty normal amount of time between sequels

	06-12-2003 15:05									#43
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Civ 2 lasted about 8 years before Civ 3. Civ 3 seemingly will last only about 3 years before Civ 4. Is this an indictment of Civ 3? I'm thinking it is. Discuss....

Civ 2: Release 1996

Civ 3: Release 2001

8 years...I don't think so

Asmodean

	06-12-2003 16:15									#44
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Nah, not too great news. Apparently this smells like an attempt to make dosh quicker than previously with Civ. The average cycle between new titles has been 5 years. Now they seem to be cutting down on the unwritten tradition of "one new Civ every 5 years." Annoucing Civ IV in 2003 would mean a release sometime in 2005 most likely. Not in 2006 or so. One can only wonder if Firaxis is trying to become the new MicroProse with all these Civ III expansions and the rapid decision to make Civ IV. I myself don't wait for Civ IV yet. Civ II is still so sweet cuddly, while Civ III is also a good one to play.

	06-12-2003 18:23									#45
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i would have been more excited about smac2

	06-12-2003 19:21									#46
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 i would have been more excited about smac2

are you nuts? only Brian Reynolds should be allowed to touch that gem...

CTRL-Cing & CTRL-Ving what I said in another (similar) thread, I'd say that ... it seemed obvious that they would work on a new civ game, apparently civ3 sold millions of copies and they will not put all their money on Pirates!, which may or may not sell...

	06-12-2003 20:17									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin The average cycle between new titles has been 5 years. Now they seem to be cutting down on the unwritten tradition of "one new Civ every 5 years." Annoucing Civ IV in 2003 would mean a release sometime in 2005 most likely. Not in 2006 or so.

Perhaps not. This doesn't seem to be an official announcement. what it says is "apparently confirmed". I've been screwed before by apparent confirmations from Firaxis, such as their apparent promise of engineers in Civ3. I would be interested in what was actually said to make this apparent confirmation.

even so, if they don't officially announce Civ4 until 2004 (almost here), that still makes a 2006 release quite reasonable to expect. seems like I waited longer for Civ3, although that was partly because Brian Reynolds left and they threw out everything of his and started over.

	06-12-2003 20:19									#48
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They'd have to do some serious re-inventing to attract me back. Truth is, I almost see Civ as the space invaders of strategy.

	06-12-2003 21:51									#49
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I would only buy it if it included the features that were in SMAC, but were left out of Civ3.

	06-12-2003 22:06									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Alex are you nuts? only Brian Reynolds should be allowed to touch that gem...

I didn't say who i wanted to make it did i?

	06-12-2003 22:59									#51
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Interesting. But I'll wait and see.

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It's probably a typo or something

The trick now is to get the word out across the world as much as possible, that could force Firaxis into actually considering a Civ4, that is, if they really aren't doing a civ4

	07-12-2003 00:44									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG smac with earth graphics(more or less, you get the idea) would be civ3 if the firaxians were still on mps

If only!

	07-12-2003 06:42									#54
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oh the joy...

	07-12-2003 13:41									#55
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well i for one will not get it as soon as it comes out. maybe i will wait till the 2nd expansion pack comes out.

i have lernt my lesson from Civ3 and Moo3.

	07-12-2003 19:20									#56
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quote: Originally posted by techumseh Civ 2 lasted about 8 years before Civ 3. Civ 3 seemingly will last only about 3 years before Civ 4. Is this an indictment of Civ 3? I'm thinking it is. Discuss....

No. There is money to be made. Why wait an additional 5 years. Plus, I wonder how much of the legal environment affected the delay of a Civ3 re: rights to the Civilization series. Wasn't there an issue here regarding Microprose and Sid?

	07-12-2003 19:31									#57
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Yes. Sid was the one with the original idea and production, but he worked for Microprose. So the question was: Who is the owner?

	07-12-2003 22:18									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Yes. Sid was the one with the original idea and production, but he worked for Microprose. So the question was: Who is the owner?

Sid is the owner now, but bewtween Civ2 and Civ3, he was technically the designer since Microprose held the rights.

	07-12-2003 23:03									#59
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Civilization IV!

Wow... just... wow. I hope to see the return of the Multi-Maps feature from Test of Time.

	08-12-2003 00:21									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Colonel E I hope to see the return of the Multi-Maps feature from Test of Time.

I hope not.