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Master Zen is offline Master Zen
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Togas,

You have just been made chief policy maker and president of CFC

Your membership demand that you come up a plan to bring them from a 4th rate team and into a winning position.

What should CFC do to win the game.


fire Goonie.

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That would certainly be the first and most important step...

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Question : what is the similarity between Trip and Togas ?

Answer : both had computer problems rather recently.

Togas's problem :
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...049#post2393049
Http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=98957 - this thread is hilarious

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Q: If you are going to be a consul, who's going to take over the FAM job?

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Question : what is the similarity between Trip and Togas ?

Answer : both had computer problems rather recently.

Togas's problem :
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...049#post2393049
Http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=98957 - this thread is hilarious


And too think I started it all


BFM, Togas already said he wanted MZ to take over the position.

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Sorry - you're right of course. Should have spotted that.

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You have just been made chief policy maker and president of CFC

Your membership demand that you come up a plan to bring them from a 4th rate team and into a winning position.

What should CFC do to win the game.


There are only a few ways to reasonably do this:

1) Jump into a war between two big opponents after getting a promise of lots of loot. Pick your side carefully, though. You want both of them to be at a relatively weaker position in the end. You want your nation to be much improved in comparison to both when the war is over. Certainly one will win but you need to use the war and your alliance to pull yourself up into the "neighborhood" of power of the greater nations. Take it one war at a time. Don't start wars just get involved after they've started and after one side is desperate for you to come in and "save the day" and willing to reward you for it.

2) Play two sides against each other. Work your way into the middle position between two sides of waring factions. Trade with both but stay neutral and let their war bring both of them down while you fully develop and modernize your nation.

3) MASSIVE GROWTH. CFC is too small. They need to immediately go REX mad and build infrastructure as well. Preferably while other nations are stuck in dead-end wars.

4) Pick on weaker opponents. If you want more land and luxes, take them from someone who can't really fight back. (which they're doing now against GCA).

5) Golden Age done in proper fashion while in the right government and with all REX concluded. If I were them I might volunteer a couple of Caravels of Riders to either CGN or GWT after Astronomy but before Cavalry AND after I've concluded a massive REX on my half of the continent. Just win one battle with them and make peace and then spend 20 turns modernizing the nation and pulling it up out of the backwaters of civ to get involved in the Industrial Age and, maybe then, finding a way through war to jump over another opponent on our way to the top.

Notes: I do not think that attacking Poly is in their best interest now, but that doesn't mean that they don't think that.

I also believe that they are probably going to have to betray Poly down the road by siding with either CGN or GWT and helping them invade Poly. They would, in theory, end up with more of the land in exchange for their help in destroying Poly.

They also should watch for a chance to backstab Poly by landing a large invasion force through the lake ... but only after fully securing the chokepoints and only when Poly is involved in some foreign war.

--Togas

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Let's say you're some unnamed person--call him "ShmGoonie"-- and a member of some unnamed ISDG team-- call them, say, "Imperial Militants' Hub". By the grace of the Banana, you have been elected to the position of Ambassador to another unnamed team. We'll call that other unnamed team "The Guys Who Will Win The ISDG." You called your opponent-- named "MarcAntonyZ"-- a puppet of the TGWWWTI, which apparently helped you into the position.

What would be the first thing you do?

(All resemblances to actual teams or individuals are purely coincidential. )

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There goes his whole campaign...shredded by one misspelling.


Actually - he spelled "delegate" wrong as well.

Now my vote is really up in the air.

And then this:

quote:
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I take it then, that I am not considered a skillful politician. I think I'll take that as a complement.


It is 'compliment'. Complement is used when say " Gee Togas, that sawed-off shot gun under your cloak there really complements that olive branch you are carrying."

I don't know folks. What's poly coming to? I just don't know. This may call for a coc on nye.

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Good thing Beta isn't running... talk about isolated demographics...

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Well, over the past year and a half I've worked with Togas as VP while he was FAM, SMC while he was VP, I appointed him as Chief Justice of the Court of Apolytonia when I was President, served under him as his Most Trusted Advisor, Lord Chamberlain, and Chief Ambassador on RP Team, served under him as Ambassador to CGN while he has been FAM here, and served as Consul while he remained FAM here. Given that I've seen him excel at ALL of those positions and I've found the experience of working with him to be quite rewarding because of his natural inclination for being a good team player (and he supported me running for Consul, too ), is there ANY chance that I could get away with NOT supporting him?

As for Togas' chief qualifications for the job, there's one that unquestionably sticks out and will require a little bit of history if you'll bear with me. Back when the SPDG was still relatively young, Togas was elected to his very first position here at Apolyton as the FAM of the SPDG. Now, up to that point, the ministers each ran their own ministry pretty much by themselves, occassionally with a single deputy who could stand in for them in the event of their absence. Togas was the first minister to put together an entire TEAM of hard working people all doing facets of the FAM job: researching from game data, researching game mechanics, checking the prices of everything with each AI player, etc. He successfully built up an entire team of people that he did an excellent job of both inspiring and managing. It is worth noting that this is where the now great E_T first got a job working in Apolyton demogames doing game research under Togas over a year ago, along with numerous others.

For the ISDG FAM, the fact that the game is multiplayer rather than singleplayer means that there is a rather significant difference in the work done by the team, but Togas' ability to put together a great team of people all motivated to do their jobs and functioning as a cohesive unit remains quite impressive. This is because, again, Togas has shown he is a very effective leader for inspiring and managing teams of people. There's damn good reason why those in the FAM here in the ISDG refer to it as the FAMily and it's because Togas has done such a tremendous job at inspiring and organizing the group to do their best work and to ensure that the left arm knows what the right arm is doing.

As for Togas' potential elevation to Consul and the impact on the FAM, I have no fear. Master Zen is an extremely capable diplomat, along with several others in the FAM team, and I have every confidence that the FAM team will continue to be highly successful... in large part because of all of the groundwork Togas has done to build that team and make it what it is today.

I've seen Togas at work as an executive as well and his ability to inspire and organize a group of ministers to work effectively together is equally impressive. I think this is because he's just a good team player... while he can certainly be decisive and make decisions when they are called for, he has always been someone who takes into very careful consideration the advice of his advisors, deputies, ministers, and the public in general. That's the main reason why I think he always surrounds himself with a group of advisors in the first place and also why those advisors remain motivated... he actually listens to them and seems to consider that there would be little purpose for them being there if he DIDN'T listen to them. People like leaders who listen to them.

As for Togas' interaction with the general posting population, I think his performance in a number of positions from FAM, VP, Constitutional Convention, Chief Justice of the Court, and leader of RP Team have all shown that he both listens to and respects popular sentiment just as he does the advice of his subordinates, though he certainly retains his own opinion of matters and does participate in the discussion with the team and calls things as he sees them. There's good reason why he has seemingly limitless support for the positions he holds even after holding them for only a brief period.

Now, in closing, I'd like to say that I have enormous respect for both Togas and Trip and I'd be quite happy to work with either of them as Consul. I seem to have agreed with Trip on a whole range of disputes where others disagreed with the two of us over the past two months or so, so I *know* I'll have little problem working with either of these fine citizens. I am *NOT* posting this as a Consul (and think anyone who would think so is positively silly), but rather as a friend. Read that as you may, since that obviously makes me both an obviously biased source and yet someone with some credibility when it comes to judging the man's character.

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Arnelos - excellent post. Thank you for your insights.


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Good thing Beta isn't running... talk about isolated demographics...





Trip, I'll take that as a compliment. I'm sure that's how you meant it.

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Trip, I'll take that as a compliment. I'm sure that's how you meant it.

Fixing spelling and grammar errors across the world.

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Fixing spelling and grammar errors across the world.


I thought you were referring to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Immortal Beloved - er - I mean - well you know.

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Campaign Q's?

What is the best beer to add to your brots?

Mustard or Katsup, which to do prefer on your hot dogs? Hamburgers?

Gas, charcoal or wood?

(can you tell it is lunch time and I am hungry.....)

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What is the best beer to add to your brots?


Something fresh from the tap. Canned or bottled beers really don't add much to Brots ... you may as well drink soda pop.

quote:
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Mustard or Katsup, which to do prefer on your hot dogs? Hamburgers?


Mustard. Katsup is for kids (and it comes in fun-filled colors like green and purple!)

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Gas, charcoal or wood?


I prefer Charcoal, even though I'm lazy and have a gas grill on the back patio. The Grill was a gift.

--Togas

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Patriots or Raiders?

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Patriots or Raiders?


Patriots!

Undeniably brilliant coaching, a true team effort as they can win no matter who they start and despite the most injuries of any starting roster in the NFL.

Plus, who DOESN'T enjoy a good snow game?

--Togas

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Back when the SPDG was still relatively young, Togas was elected to his very first position here at Apolyton as the FAM of the SPDG. Now, up to that point, the ministers each ran their own ministry pretty much by themselves, occassionally with a single deputy who could stand in for them in the event of their absence. Togas was the first minister to put together an entire TEAM of hard working people all doing facets of the FAM job: researching from game data, researching game mechanics, checking the prices of everything with each AI player, etc. He successfully built up an entire team of people that he did an excellent job of both inspiring and managing.


PLUS he did manage the unprecedented feat of shaming me into admitting he was very right and I was very wrong...

 
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