05-12-2003 20:56									#1
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Simple question. Please lend some American thought to the rest of the world on the subject!

	05-12-2003 21:12									#2
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Countries get pissed off when they are attacked.

Gore would have had to do something.

Foreigners are always looking for a reason to hate us. If we did anything, it'd be the same situation we have now.

But if we're gonna fight, might as well have a good 'ole boy doing it instead of some pansy tree hugger.

And just imagine the political fodder the Arabs would have if we have a Jewish VP.....

	05-12-2003 21:44									#3
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Gore would have felt the political need to do something, even knowing full well that it would be ineffective and self-destructive to do so. He might have attacked Afghanistan. But why would he have attacked Iraq? They had nothing to do with 9/11, nothing to do with Al-Qaeda, nothing to do with any current terrorism, no longer had any weapons of mass destruction, and posed no threat to American interests. George Shrub knew all of this. He simply took the opportunity presented by 9/11 (and his abysmal failure against Osama bin Laden) to do what he had already planned to do on behalf of the corporate interests to which he is beholden.

	05-12-2003 21:54									#4
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Simple answer. No. Can I hitch a ride with you to the OT Forum?

	05-12-2003 23:15									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Frank Johnson Countries get pissed off when they are attacked. Gore would have had to do something. Foreigners are always looking for a reason to hate us. If we did anything, it'd be the same situation we have now. But if we're gonna fight, might as well have a good 'ole boy doing it instead of some pansy tree hugger. And just imagine the political fodder the Arabs would have if we have a Jewish VP.....

The sad thing is that these people are more than want to believe.

	05-12-2003 23:25									#6
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We have no way of knowing anything. It is possible that under a Gore administration, already well-versed in dealing with al-Qaeada, they would have taken reports that AQ was planning on hijacking American airliners more seriously, wouldn't have have quashed the FBI's investigation into the Saudi sources of AQ funding, would have paid more attention to anti-terrorism in general. It is possible that Gore's Administration might have prevented 9/11 altogether. Probably not, but maybe possibly.

There are too many variables to say what would have happened.

	05-12-2003 23:28									#7
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Like they took 8 years of Al Qaeadas attacks more seriously? give me a break.

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Yes, they did. They told Bush that his number one problem in his Administration was going to be AQ. Did the Clinton Administration take it as seriously as they should have? No. Did they take it more seriously than Bush pre-9/11, absolutely. Why do you think Bush is doing everything he can to block the 9/11 commission?

And AQ hadn't been attacking us for 8 years at that point. IIRC, the first time they popped up on our radar was '95-'96. The '93 attack on the WTC was carried out by members of an Egyptian terrorist group that was not yet linked to AQ (as AQ didn't exist yet).

	05-12-2003 23:42									#9
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Gore would definetly have invaded Afghanistan. Undoubtably he would have felt pressure to do more. Would he have invaded Iraq? Quite possibly he would. Or he may have done other things to Arab countries, stopping just short of invasion.

	05-12-2003 23:43									#10
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Probably... but not as early as Bush as Gore would have actually exhausted all diplomatic options instead of pretending to.

But I think that's irrelevant because I don't believe 9-11 would have happened if Gore were president, just because he would have made Clinton's anti-terror policy suggestions into reality instead of instituting Operation Ignore.

	05-12-2003 23:44									#11
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I think he would have invaded Afghanistan, but I highly doubt he would have invaded Iraq. He would have no need to avenge Daddy's failure there, nor would he have Wolfowitz doctrine to worry about.

	05-12-2003 23:46									#12
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Bull ****, If he felt that way he would have taken the silver platter with Osama's Head on it when it was offered to him, instead of refusing it multiple times.
He would have responded to WTC bombing 1, Khobar Towers,The African Embassy bombings, the Cole, instead the Clinton administration was focused on domestic terrorists like the Branch Dividians, and a mother and her child at ruby ridge.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=28400

I very much doubt that Clinton said a damned thing about Osama Bin Laden before september 11th.


Why is Bush blocking the 9-11 report? Because hes got the kid gloves on with the Saudis and doesn't want to hurt their feelings. I think we all know what is in the report.

	05-12-2003 23:54									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha Bull ****, If he felt that way he would have taken the silver platter with Osama's Head on it when it was offered to him, instead of refusing it multiple times. He would have responded to WTC bombing 1, Khobar Towers,The African Embassy bombings, the Cole, instead the Clinton administration was focused on domestic terrorists like the Branch Dividians, and a mother and her child at ruby ridge. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=28400 I very much doubt that Clinton said a damned thing about Osama Bin Laden before september 11th. Why is Bush blocking the 9-11 report? Because hes got the kid gloves on with the Saudis and doesn't want to hurt their feelings. I think we all know what is in the report.

Educate yourself...

Clinton proposed massive improvements to fight a "War on Terror" in 1999. He gained lots of Republican support. It's funny how ignorant revisionists like to bash Clinton and even blame him for 9-11.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/j.../terr-j26.shtml

BTW, the above link is from a left-wing site ATTACKING Clinton for such a proposal.

Here is a CNN story about the same proposals.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stor...nton.terrorism/

Do internet searches on "Richard Clarke terrorism report"

Bush liked certain Clinton people so much, he kept them on after he took power.

And the so-called "refusal" to accept OBL is complete bullshit. I wish people would stop watching Fox news.

	05-12-2003 23:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I wish people would stop watching Fox news.

Worse, he relies on Worldnet News Daily. Might as well get your information from Newsmax conspiracy threads.

	05-12-2003 23:58									#15
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Yes, and someone "proposed" an attack on Bin Laden after the cole.

Actions and words are different. Clinton said he was ready to have an elite ninja team run in and scare Bin Laden, never quite happened though. The response to the cole was likewise shot down.

Now question for you: Did the Sudanese government offer Bin Laden to US or not?

	05-12-2003 23:59									#16
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This is an excellent question and while Gore would have targeted Afghanistan, he is too narrow minded to understand the complex ME issue. He would have fired a Tomahawk at Iraq kept up the expensive containment of Saddam and the ME would continue on its dangerous ways until yet another attack came to the USA. Appeasers throughout history never understand true dangers to their nation or others and Slick Willy along with Gore are appeasers.

	06-12-2003 00:00									#17
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So Boris, Does history show Clinton going after Islamic Terrorists, or doing EXACTLY what the guy in the article said their focus was?

Facts are a stubborn thing.

	06-12-2003 00:08									#18
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Who cares? Gore isn't President. It really isn't possible to know what he would have done.

PS Can we drop the whining about Clinton's inadequacies as President? We all know he responded poorly to AQ attacks but it really isn't productive to keep harping on it now that he's been out of office for quite a while.

	06-12-2003 00:10									#19
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Dino,
You don't have to respond.

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No chance in hell

	06-12-2003 02:18									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Dino, You don't have to respond.

Hey someone has to take up the duty on pissing in other people's threads.

	06-12-2003 02:20									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Slick Willy along with Gore are appeasers.

This certainly explains Kosovo, Haiti, Bosnia and Somalia...

As you Republicons love pointing out, Clinton didn't get UN approval for those wars. So tell me, which is it? Is Clinton as war-mongering as Bush or is he an appeaser? hmm.. I wonder if the bombing campaign of Iraq in 1998 was appeasement?

god, it's not even hard to tear down the right's arguments any more...

	06-12-2003 02:21									#23
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gore would have initiated "tolerance" programs to help us better understand why the terrorists hate us.

and i would have shot him.

	06-12-2003 02:23									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX gore would have initiated "tolerance" programs to help us better understand why the terrorists hate us. and i would have shot him.

hehe no, Gore would have lobbied for warning labels on all maps... "WARNING PARENTAL ADVISORY: Dangerous Explicit Dictator!"

	06-12-2003 02:27									#25
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Sava,
My old friend, first it is Republicans, not Republicons, thank you.

Secondly, a true risk in war is when you send in ground troops, how many did you send to Bosnia. When it was time for Slick Willy to "Wag the Dog", there was not too much risk to bomb from far away, unless of coarse, you are Chinese embassy.

He decided to bomb a region the size of Wisconsin and call it a great effort, yes, he stopped magnificant tragedies but really with little risk. The ME is 10 fold on Bosnia and the true fact is, he doesn't have the coconuts to face the swelling problem.

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	06-12-2003 03:39									#26
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quote: this certainly explains Kosovo, Haiti, Bosnia and Somalia...

Sava: Why don't you try to introduce a new democratic T-shirt slogan?: "More warmongering than you are!"

	06-12-2003 03:46									#27
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Assuming Gore was president and 9/11 occured, certainly we would have invaded Afghanistan..as for Iraq? I am highly doubtfull. The people who pushed the war through would have had very little push in a Gore administration. I assume far more pressure would have been eventually put on the Israel-Palestine problem instead.

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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Sava: Why don't you try to introduce a new democratic T-shirt slogan?: "More warmongering than you are!"

I'm not trying to brag about Dem's starting wars, I was just simply pointing out that Defiant was wrong.

And Defiant, when Repukes stop conning America, I'll stop calling them Republicons ...

plus, I think it's good that Bill Clinton didn't commit ground troops in those areas... I figured someone who claims to be a conservative would appreciate a president who doesn't waste billions of taxpayer dollars and American lives in a needless war for profit...

Quite frankly, I don't know why conservatives aren't more mad at Bush than most liberals. I mean this guy is spending more than any other president in history. He's expanded the federal government by 500,000 jobs. He's tanked the economy. He's commited us to a long occupation in Iraq for a pre-emptive war under false pretenses. He's passed a MASSIVE giveaway to pharmaceutical corporations in Medicare reform (BTW, isn't Communism the state support of industry?). He's rolling back environmental laws.

I mean, what is "conservative" about this president. If a so-called "liberal" president were doing things opposite of what a liberal or progressive policy would dictate, I'd be pretty pissed off. In fact, I was pissed off at a lot of things Clinton did.

I just don't get this hero worship you guys have for Bush. It sounds a lot like battered wife syndrome. You love this guy despite the fact he beats the crap out of the supposed ideals you hold.

	06-12-2003 05:27									#29
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Since the Dems opposed Gulf I and only shot missles at OBL when he blew things up before, I sincerely doubt that he would have done more than seek a UN resolution, with tough words!

Next, he would have looked at America, like Carter did when he was president, to find out what we were doing wrong to so piss off OBL.

Finally, he would have made overtures to the Taliban, OBL and Saddam to patch up our differences.

	06-12-2003 05:31									#30
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Why do some people seem to be connecting the invasion of Iraq as some sort of response to 9/11?