09-12-2003 23:25									#1
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3303655.stm

Everything which exists in the USA is so cool -- > Air pollution is so cool.

Simply ingenious.

	09-12-2003 23:37									#2
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In the UK anyway, live in the city and become a reverse commuter. When everyone is going into the city, you're driving out of it to work. When everyone is going home from working in the city, you're on your way in. Alternatively living in the city also gives you the option of working there and doing away with direct and indirect transportation costs altogether.

There are other advantages too.

	09-12-2003 23:42									#3
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quote: communist party limonsines

kind of an oxymoron, eh?

I think that too many Americans needlessly drive. Kids are becoming fat because their parents drive them half a mile to school, and our roads are clogged with too many commuters who have access to lower cost mass transit. My dad took the Metra for 12 years to work from Naperville to downtown Chicago.

Somewhere along the line, the conservationist attitudes of the WW2 era gave way to the "everyone needs a huge, wasteful SUV" era of today.

I don't think America should turn into a biking country, but we need to stop our addiction to oil.

	09-12-2003 23:50									#4
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There need to be many infrastructure changes though. No-one is going to cycle without proper, safe cycling lanes.

Nevertheless, power to the cyclists!!!

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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni There need to be many infrastructure changes though. No-one is going to cycle without proper, safe cycling lanes. Nevertheless, power to the cyclists!!!

Tell that to the finns in January.

	10-12-2003 00:03									#6
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quote: Tell that to the finns in January.

Mass transit works pretty well, here at the capital district. I used bicycle until early november this year, winter's usually full quite... sleety in the coastal areas.

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I've made it one of my life long goals to never have a dirvers license.

It's kind of strange, really. Most of my goals are about not doing certain things.

	10-12-2003 00:09									#8
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Come to California and try and survive on mass transit.

	10-12-2003 00:10									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Mass transit works pretty well, here at the capital district. I used bicycle until early november this year, winter's usually full quite... sleety in the coastal areas.

I remember seeing a thing on TV along time ago, about a kind of sled that's used for geting around in winter in Scandinavia. It's sort of like a cross between a sled and a scooter, or something. You stand on it and push it with your feet. Obviously not as good as a bike, but probably better then walking alot of conditions. What are they called?

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quote: Come to California and try and survive on mass transit

Well, California has a 50-year history of catastrophical leaders.

quote: It's sort of like a cross between a sled and a scooter, or something. You stand on it and push it with your feet

Don't understand. Power source : legs? A drawing (messy MS-paint drawing's ok) would be visualizing.

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld I've made it one of my life long goals to never have a dirvers license.

dirvers license? divers license? You think most people swim to school/work?


...ohhh... you ment Drivers license...!!!

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Cycle lans only work when cars obey them. Can't count the number of times I've had cars almost kill me when I was in a bike lane. And that was in Chicago. Here in Jax, the street sweepers kill cyclists. **** that! I ride on the sidewalk, I don't care if it's illegal.

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quote: Originally posted by ADG dirvers license? divers license? You think most people swim to school/work? ...ohhh... you ment Drivers license...!!!

Are you certain I didn't mean a dirger's license?

	10-12-2003 00:15									#14
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A dirwhat?

	10-12-2003 00:17									#15
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Che, you walking dictionary...
You know any details about the corruption situation in China? After a glance of the article, I'd say that that decision just smells of corruption.

Osweld : Potkukelkka, a kick-sled is perhaps the English translation. Owning it is adequate at rural areas and 'normal-sized' cities due to vicinity of rural areas (a 'normal-sized' means 20 000 - 50 000 citizens).
Snow is cleared off from inner city areas and their pavements are coated with small pieces of granite (well, you could call it sand, actually).

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	10-12-2003 00:25									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Don't understand. Power source : legs? A drawing (messy MS-paint drawing's ok) would be visualizing.

Actually, I was able to find it through google. It's called a CrosSled.



EDIT: Apparently it's a pretty good way of geting around in the winter, not only can get around quicker with it, but it can be used a walker for seniors so they don't slip on ice, or even as a make-shift dog sled.

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quote: Originally posted by ADG A dirwhat?

You don't know what a dirge is?


1 : a song or hymn of grief or lamentation; especially : one intended to accompany funeral or memorial rites
2 : a slow, solemn, and mournful piece of music

	10-12-2003 00:32									#18
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Mass transit is ok in Helsinki and in its immidiate presense.. and few other bigger cities, but everywhere else it SUCccks.

	10-12-2003 00:45									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue In the UK anyway, live in the city and become a reverse commuter. When everyone is going into the city, you're driving out of it to work. When everyone is going home from working in the city, you're on your way in. Alternatively living in the city also gives you the option of working there and doing away with direct and indirect transportation costs altogether. There are other advantages too.

Another bonus! If I go back to Reckitt's, with our move I am within walking distance of work, if I get the job with Syngenta (in Cheshire), I can reverse commute...owzat! Also if the public transport connections are decent if I get that job, all the better!

	10-12-2003 00:48									#20
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Been drinking again, Pecker?

Osweld:
(1) My answer to you is:

quote: Quoting myself, I first edited it to above post, but then I felt stupid for not answering with a new post: Potkukelkka, a kick-sled is perhaps the English translation. Owning it is adequate at rural areas and 'normal-sized' cities due to vicinity of rural areas (a 'normal-sized' means 20 000 - 50 000 citizens). Snow is cleared off from inner city areas and their pavements are coated with small pieces of granite (well, you could call it sand, actually).

(2) I think your old avatar was much more sympathetic than those Stalin and Mario ones.

	10-12-2003 01:22									#21
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I just bought a new bike yesterday. It is my only form of transport (besides the pathetic bus system occasionally) at my disposal.

Its also the only form of rigorous exercise at my disposal too.

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	10-12-2003 09:20									#22
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bicycles are clogging up the roads?

what do they expect cars to do?

I don't think we ever have to worry about China being dominant over the U.S. They just sealed their fate.