10-12-2003 06:57									#1
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What Civ?

You get three votes - and three votes only. We will see where this takes us. The list inludes all civs mentioned or suggested in the civ discussion thread. If I have missed any I apologize.

And feel free to keep the debate going.

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	10-12-2003 07:38									#2
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Iroquois - Celts - Dutch in that order. Notice the common theme of agriculture.

	10-12-2003 07:56									#3
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Iroquois - French - Maya

There are 10 teams in this game.
It might be hard to get the civ we want.

	10-12-2003 08:48									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Iroquois - French - Maya There are 10 teams in this game. It might be hard to get the civ we want.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't go for our truely top choices though. We can always create a longer list to go down if need be.

	10-12-2003 09:18									#5
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Sorry H_E, I just can not be the French, its a R/Lm thing.......

I will research this and get back to this poll

	10-12-2003 09:57									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Doesn't mean we shouldn't go for our truely top choices though. We can always create a longer list to go down if need be.

Absolutely...wasnt suggesting anything else.
It was just a general comment.

@ Con

	10-12-2003 10:28									#7
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Picking the Dutch makes you a huge target in the Ancient era...


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	10-12-2003 12:28									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Picking the Dutch makes you a huge target in the Ancient era... Dominae

The same could generally be said of the Iroquois or the Vikings or any number of civs. I'd rather choose our civ on what makes for a strong nation than what makes for not being a target.

	10-12-2003 12:48									#9
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But isn't the ancient era rather important here? If another civ thinks we are weak and attacks, we'll be at a disadvantage for the rest of the game.

	10-12-2003 14:33									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel There are 10 teams in this game. It might be hard to get the civ we want.

Surely as there are going to be 2 games we are only competing with 5 teams for our civ of choice.

	10-12-2003 16:25									#11
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quote: Originally posted by jim_steer Surely as there are going to be 2 games we are only competing with 5 teams for our civ of choice.

Blah !!

Didn't know that.

	10-12-2003 17:08									#12
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I would go for Byzantines, then Chinese and Iroquois.

Another choice I would go for is the Celts. I am not voting at present because my top choice, the Byzantines, is not there.

	10-12-2003 19:40									#13
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quote: Originally posted by jim_steer Surely as there are going to be 2 games we are only competing with 5 teams for our civ of choice.

H_E, you not knowing that is my fault, I have been meaning to get an "INFO" thread up and going.

Thats why I need you guys to keep making polls and reaching these decisions.

Its abusy time and I need all the help I can get!

In a nutshell, there are 10 teams in the IDG.

We start out with 2 games of 5 teams each.

The 3 remaining survivors of the first two games proceed to the final game. So the second game will be compose dof the top 6 teams.

Being discussed but not finalized yet is when do the first games STOP, general consensus seems to be when the game gets to the point of only three teams left. As opposed to playing til the end game.

The other thing being discussed but not finalized is lets say two teams want the same CIV, then just put them into the two different games, so there is a possibility that two teams can have the same Civ.

With that being said and this is con's humble opinion here, in the initial game we should go with one of the more warmonger Civ's because if we aren't ready to wipe out another CIV or at least throw back an attack and then wipe out the attacker we probably wont make it to game 2. But again this last paragraph is my opinion.

	10-12-2003 20:54									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill The same could generally be said of the Iroquois or the Vikings or any number of civs. I'd rather choose our civ on what makes for a strong nation than what makes for not being a target.

There's a major difference between the strong Ancient-era civs (Egypt, Iroquois, etc.) and the strong Medieval-era civs (China, Dutch).

As we all know, attacking your neighbors in PBEM play is less of a question of where and how but when. With the prospect of Riders of Swiss Mercs. on the horizon for your opponents, you would be far more likely to press any advantage you have (or think you have) before the Medieval, in order to prevent disaster when you're outmatched later on.

The same logic would seem to apply to early-game civs, but it actually breaks down. It's quite difficult to mount any serious early rush against the Iroquois, Celts or whatever before they get a chance to fight back with their UUs. In fact, it's much easier to play the diplomatic game and hope to weather the storm that meet it head on (a good case in point is Persia and their Immortals...heh).

So, yes, I do believe going with the Dutch paints a huge target on us for the Ancient era.


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	10-12-2003 21:57									#15
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt I would go for Byzantines, then Chinese and Iroquois. Another choice I would go for is the Celts. I am not voting at present because my top choice, the Byzantines, is not there.

Sorry if I missed it in the other thread MWIA.

If anybody else wants to vote for the Byzantines - please vote twice above and for the Byz. in th post. We will record it.

	10-12-2003 22:02									#16
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Zulu - Russians - Mongols.

	11-12-2003 03:23									#17
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 H_E, you not knowing that is my fault, I have been meaning to get an "INFO" thread up and going. In a nutshell, there are 10 teams in the IDG. We start out with 2 games of 5 teams each. The 3 remaining survivors of the first two games proceed to the final game. So the second game will be compose dof the top 6 teams. Being discussed but not finalized yet is when do the first games STOP, general consensus seems to be when the game gets to the point of only three teams left. As opposed to playing til the end game. The other thing being discussed but not finalized is lets say two teams want the same CIV, then just put them into the two different games, so there is a possibility that two teams can have the same Civ. With that being said and this is con's humble opinion here, in the initial game we should go with one of the more warmonger Civ's because if we aren't ready to wipe out another CIV or at least throw back an attack and then wipe out the attacker we probably wont make it to game 2. But again this last paragraph is my opinion.

Con,

No problems. It is difficult, and we have started late.

Just a point though. If the first game is to only survive as one of the last three, then this will completely change the dynamics of the PBEM.

Only 2 teams need to be eliminated.
We should be choosing a civ, with a kick ass ancient era offensive or defensive unit.

Greece / Egypt etc etc all all valid choices.

So, if this first game is not about winning, just about surviving the ancient age, (because 2 civs will be eliminated in the ancient age), then we need to pick our civ accordingly. A strong ancient age civ.

	11-12-2003 03:29									#18
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H_E we may also want to consider an ancient age powerhouse that does NOT require strategic Resources with the funky distribution of resources in conquests.

Because my guess is there maybe some resource leveling of the map and making sure no one gets a real crappy starting location but that about all Im seeing right now in the discussion threads at CDG.

And if my goal is to survive, then Im going to need a REALLY good reason to trade off a monopoly in strategic resources. Or Im screwed if my Ancient UU needs a resource that I dont have.

This one may turn out to be a real war monger PBEM, for the first game H_E, sounds right up your alley

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	11-12-2003 15:02									#19
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Sumerians have a nice, very early, very cheap defensive UU in the Enkidu Warrior (1.2.1 - 10S). Might be quite handy for defending against and supporting archer rushes.

	11-12-2003 19:04									#20
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Are we going to have a run-off?

	11-12-2003 21:08									#21
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Please put me down for 1 vote for the Byzantine.

	11-12-2003 23:09									#22
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Based on this new info about two demogames with only three of five civs moving on I formally withdraw my vote for the Dutch. We'll need an early powerhouse.

	12-12-2003 03:48									#23
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I agree, I voted dutch, koreans, and mayans, but given that this is going come down to ancient/early midevil age elimination those are poor choices.

I think we should probally run this poll again since probally alot of people voted assuming we'd be playing 1 game all the way through.....

In any case given the way this will work, I think I'll vote:

Iroquis
Persia

or any other civ with an offensive ancient/early midevil age unit.

	12-12-2003 04:14									#24
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Here is the note from Con

quote: This is an overall report on the current number of teams and how we are going to play the game(s) In a nutshell there are 10 teams in the IDG. Signed Up Teams: 1.) CDG 2.) Civ3 Players Ladder 3.) Civ3 Brasil 4.) Gamecatcher 5.) Civ Gaming Network 6.) Civilization Webring (German) 7.) CivFanatics Center 8.) Civ3 Duel Zone 9.) Apolyton 10.) Batrachos team (French) We start out with 2 games of 5 teams each. The 3 remaining survivors of the first two games proceed to the final game. So the second game will be composed of the top 6 teams. Being discussed but not finalized yet is when do the first games STOP, general consensus seems to be when the game gets to the point of only three teams left. As opposed to playing til the end game. The other thing being discussed but not finalized is lets say two teams want the same CIV, then just put them into the two different games, so there is a possibility that two teams can have the same Civ. Another thing being discussed is whether both initial maps will have the same settings or not.

I agree... we need a re-poll
Even the Iroquois may not be the best civ.
We would be gambling on having horses.
Perhaps it's not best to rely on the fickle resorce allocation of C3C, and go for a civ with an early UU that needs no resources ?

Re-Poll !!!

	12-12-2003 10:49									#25
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Should I just have MWIA close this and put up a poll with all 31 CIV's?

How do you guys want to do this, we DO have some time on this one.

	12-12-2003 11:06									#26
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I would rather re-poll. We started this one not knowing about the two game thing. My first choice remains, but the others I might not have chosen.

	12-12-2003 11:14									#27
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Ok just put all 31 civs up then?

Who wants to volunteer and do this, Im off to beddie bye land right now and Im going to be up to my armpits in polls tomorrow (er today! I got to get to sleep!)

However does this should get one of those summaries of all the new civs and existing civs with and without changes and post a link.

	17-12-2003 09:51									#28
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I agree on a re-poll, given that our goal in the first game should be to eliminate 2 of the other teams (and to keep from being eliminated ourselves).

Iroquois, Celts, and Sumarians all get my vote.

--Togas

	18-12-2003 21:39									#29
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Do the two teams that get eliminated first from each game get to play a game of the four of them?

	20-12-2003 22:12									#30
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I'm thinking:

1. Mayas.
2. Carthage unless we are on Pangena.

I'd definately like to see us as at least one of Industrious and Agriculture.