10-05-2001 18:09									#1
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For those still interested, I'd still like to do that Hellas game.

So, all interested, please post (once again) your nick-name, e-mail, by the position you want to play, assuming its not taken. Once we got everybody, I must ask Sparta to start.

The Turn Order is as follows:

Sparta
Athens ----- JMarks - JMShrader@aol.com
Chalcideans
Corinthians
Thebans

Who's still in?

	10-05-2001 19:26									#2
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I want Cachlidians
Email:
henrik.lohmander@telia.com

	11-05-2001 09:56									#3
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I´m not sure,
If I can play a Bonaparte one I don´t play this one
I´m already playing two more games and I don´t have enough time

	10-05-2001 23:51									#4
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Nothing else left, I'll try the Corinthians if allowed.

Email -> Signature

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scenario_feedback@hotmail.com

	11-05-2001 01:34									#5
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Sparta- MagyarCrusader
michael@jeszenka.com

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	11-05-2001 04:31									#6
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Sparta ----- MagyarCrusader - michael@jeszenka.com
Athens ----- JMarks - JMShrader@aol.com
Chalcideans- Henrik - henrik.lohmander@telia.com
Corinthians- SCDARS - scenario_feedback@hotmail.com
Thebans

Guess nobody wants the Thebans. If anyone still wants in I guess they can still join. So, unless I'm missing something (which I probably am), Crusader, will you start as Sparta?

	11-05-2001 09:50									#7
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Yes I'll be happy to start but first I have a few questions.

1)Is the difficulty going to be on the standard level, Tyrant?

2)My version of Hellas was downloaded from St Leo's website a while ago, when it first came out I think. Is there a newer version I should download?

3)How do we conduct negotiations? Personally, I don't want the AI to take over my place during somebody's turn and sign an alliance with a civ whose capital I'm about to take.

I will start the game after we figure these things out.

BTW, in addittion to my email, my AIM username is MagyarCrusader in case anybody has that and wants to contanct me.

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	11-05-2001 17:06									#8
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Knew I forgot something...

So, unless anyone else has something to add, I'll try to tackel the questions.

1) Yes, we'll use the Tyrant level since it is multiplayer

2) Yes, we all should check that we have the same version. The notes in mine say its the final version (of course that doesn't stop the author from comming back and change it all over again, but I did get it recently)

3)Negotiations, now theres the rub. I'll need some advice and reproach for the advice I'm giving, but we could do it one of two ways. We could say no negotiation with out negotiation (outside of game), or we could set attitudes (unless thats only hotseat) and just hope for the better. The latter would have some historical accuracy to it, since the will of the Tyrant is often suplanted by subordinates or the people. Any ideas that I'm completely missing that'll make us really happy? Otherwise I guess we'll have to live with it.

JMarks

	12-05-2001 01:48									#10
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My view on negotiations is that there should be no in game negotiations unless players make negotiations outside the game via emails or apolyton or whatever. In that case when both players come to some sort of agreement, the first player can set his attitude to the other player to be worshipful and the second player can forge the alliance, or peace. If there is no outside negotiation, then we should make it a house rule to decline to meet with the emissaries of player nations.

I'll do my turn now and pass it on.

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	12-05-2001 08:27									#11
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I agree with the negotiations, no sneaky dealings. If deals (such as tech trade) are made out of game, make the desired techs gifts (should ther AI not want to trade, or trade for the right thing). Both sides must uphold such deals. No greek backstabing!
Finished my turn and have sent it the next in line.

	14-05-2001 09:55									#12
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Just a quick question before I complete my turn:
Has anyone got an idea why my heralds are unable to bribe cities (The dialog wont show up! It is like trying to enter a land square whit a submarine! (this is not the case (I checked that in the rules.txt)))

	13-05-2001 22:20									#13
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I cannot think of any reason why there shouldn't even pop up any selection screen... Have you checked if there is a modified game.txt?
Can they not even bribe units?
P.S: I'm looking forward for my first turn, but please zip the savegame before sending...

	13-05-2001 22:33									#14
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Units is ok to bribe, this is really strange.
The @SPYOPTIONS dialogue exists in the game.txt too...
The notes.txt included doesn't mention anything about this...

	13-05-2001 22:59									#15
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That is wierd, for I was able to bribe cities with my herald. Since I'm not over there I couldn't begin to think of what is wrong.

	13-05-2001 23:05									#16
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I was using version 1.1 (which I had just downloaded from Johns site to make sure I was using the same version as the rest of us) and when I tried whit my old version (1.0) I could bribe cities (and all of the other stuff too)

Therefore i decided to use the old version (if the others can bribe cities why shouldn't I be allowed to?).
I have played my turn and sent it along.
[This message has been edited by Henrik (edited May 13, 2001).]

	14-05-2001 01:00									#17
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Message to all of the rulers of the city states of Greece:
I Henrikus of Calchis hereby anounce the vasalisation of Tanagra and Oropus, these two cities should from now and on be considered as Calchidian territory and any agressions against these two cities will be considered an act of war!

	14-05-2001 01:34									#18
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Henrik, I believe the gods are trying to tell you that you should not be wasting your money on bribing cities. Instead, you should be paying tribute to the Spartans!!! muwahahahah!!!!

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	14-05-2001 05:12									#20
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Message to All Greek Brothers.
I look forward to trade with all of you, however, any foray into the free cities of Attica will been seen as a gesture of war. That goes double for the tyrant of Chalcis. Relent from your purpose toward Oropus, or face the consiquences.
Tyrant of Athens, Ioanes

PS Henrik, a Greek version of your name would be Henrikos, not Henrikus. The later is a Latin form. If you recall, the Latins are barbarians.

	14-05-2001 09:48									#21
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All of Greece trembles at the sound of Spartans descending upon the rebellious city of Messene! The traitorous "Other Greek" states have declared war upon our city. We shall show Greece what happens to those that cross Sparta!

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	14-05-2001 19:42									#23
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Yes, any civ that is not human controled we may freely converse with. Speaking of which, the Thebans have agreed that the seizure of Oropus was an uncalled for threat toward the Athenians, her friends, and have declared war on the Chalcidians. I call on all Greek peoples to help in the crusade to oust all foreigners from Attica. Doing so will ensure friendship with the Athenian peoples which will result in future trade.

Tyrant of Athens, Ioanes (with an eta)
[This message has been edited by JMarks (edited May 14, 2001).]

	15-05-2001 02:01									#25
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Indeed, the god-natured tyrant of Corinth seems to see himself as a god himself. I would think that he would be above bribing freed slaves into bulling the rest of his population into an unwanted war! Any man claiming to be a god will provoke the wrath of the gods! I call on all righteous men of Greece to teach these god-impersonators a lesson!

	15-05-2001 02:17									#26
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Sparta assimilated a village into slaves and have been added to the population of Sparta.

	15-05-2001 03:05									#27
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Athens has destroyed the Chalcidean army based in Oropus. Therefore we offer the hand of fellowship to the Chalcideans and support their efforts in Euboea.

	15-05-2001 11:17									#28
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I will quote what I wrote in the 2194days of war thread as all in it applies here as well:

quote: Originally posted by Henrik on 05-15-2001 02:15 AM Does anyone know why my cities wouldn't go trough the upkeep phase last turn? How did you end last turn JMarks? I think you might have done something wrong becouse as I said my cities never produced anything (despite of the fact that the shield box was full (I bought stuff on the first turn)) and I didn't get any research either! I don't want to contnue untill this matter is cleared up, all other pbem games I play work perfectly except for the Hellas game where you also are the one to handle the file before me. Something is wrong here, I can't produce/research anything in both these games where you conduct your turn before me, what is wrong?

	16-05-2001 00:59									#30
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Well Henrik, you could give me your password and I'll open your game and I could see if anything is wrong. Then you can just change your password to something different.

Also, I will email you the save I emailed JMarks. Use this as a test. Open up your turn, which will skip JMarks. If you can build stuff and everything works, then we know for sure JMarks is doing something odd at the end of his turn.

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