12-12-2003 15:44									#1
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The jury is out, any predictions on the verdicts?

Mine....

Huntley

'Guilty' never to see the light of day again (and good, though he should be hanged1).

Carr

'Not Guilty' though will be hounded out of the country and forced to live under an assumed itentity in obscure places for the rest of her life.

	12-12-2003 17:25									#2
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The b@stard will get off with manslaughter

	12-12-2003 17:36									#3
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Nah he'll be found guilty, unless the jury are especialy guillable.

She might be aquiited though, and if she is she should be left well alone.

	12-12-2003 20:19									#4
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If it wasnt such a horrific case the story about the bath smacks of an episode from the Key Stone Cops or Laural & Hardy. He's a murderer theres no doubt in my mind.

Yes im not sure she is guilty maybe a bit nieve, if not guilty yes she should be left alone, I just cant see it happening though.

	12-12-2003 20:41									#5
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Him guilty. I mean seriously, if it was an accident to knck the girl in the bathtub, you would never killed the other one to keep her silent. Combine that with the rather clinical disposal instead of calling, oh say 999, and it looks like murder to me. Maybe not premeditated as such but that does not really matter.

Her I am not sure. There's no denying she has perverted the course of justice, but somehow i don't think she knew that Huntley killed the kids. In which case she is classed as not guilty wrt aiding and abetting a criminal. So what does she get? Community service maybe? She basically fell for the wrong guy, and from some of the transcripts he was an overpowering and abusive boyfriend.

	12-12-2003 20:55									#6
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Guilty, his defence is more ad hoc than King Tut!

Not sure about her, am tempted to side with guilty, but thats without emotional consideration. I'm not so bothered about her!

	12-12-2003 21:07									#7
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He's guilty. I don't know what the charge of the girl is though.

	12-12-2003 21:08									#8
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Care to explain for those of us not clued in to UK provincialism?

	12-12-2003 21:09									#9
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Double murder of two 10-year old girls.

	12-12-2003 21:11									#10
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Huntley will be found guilty of murder. He'll get a recommended "whole life" sentence.

Carr will be found guilty of perverting the course of justice and assisting an offender. She'll get 6 years, including time already served. She'll be paroled in 18 months.

	12-12-2003 21:22									#11
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I think he'll be found guilty.

	12-12-2003 21:23									#12
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That's a given, seeing as he's claiming manslaughter.

	12-12-2003 21:30									#13
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So, AFAIK, the guy was convicted of some rather severe crimes before starting work at school. Were the ones responsible for this **** up found?

	12-12-2003 21:37									#14
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I'm not aware of any previous convictions. Apparently he was tried for rape, but acquitted on CCTV video evidence.

	18-12-2003 19:03									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Huntley will be found guilty of murder. He'll get a recommended "whole life" sentence. Carr will be found guilty of perverting the course of justice and assisting an offender. She'll get 6 years, including time already served. She'll be paroled in 18 months.

Close. Huntley - guilty, two life sentences. Tariff probably a minimum of 50 years.

Carr - Convicted on perverting the course of justice, cleared on assisting an offender. 3.5years of which she has served 18 months, will probably be released in May.

The details that have been revealed over the last day or so don't exactly instill me with confidence in the UK police system. Huntley had been accused of 4 rapes (all which he claimed were consentual) and 4 cases of under age sex as well as indecent assault on a 11 year old. All charges were dropped due to inconsistent and/or incomplete evidence, or because the girls in question would not press charges. How he got through the school vetting procedure is something that will need to be answered.

	18-12-2003 19:41									#16
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It seems the recriminations have started about who should have known what and told who else. The Chief Constable of Humberside walked out of a TV interview after being pressed on his force not logging "evidence" (not surprising as I can't understand why most people don't walk out on Paxman).

Huntley wasn't charged, much less convicted of anything before this. The system relies on people being picked up for minor offences before anything major happens and sometimes the first one that they get charged on is a major crime.

I would not like to see police records include notes of when a complaint was made or someone was questioned, the scope for harrassment by someone with a grudge is too great, and the police don't seem too keen on the idea either. The problem is that the media are whipping up a frenzy over what went wrong and looking for either a scapegoat or another Sarah's Law fiasco. I fear the lawmakeers will be obliged to do something and it will cause more problems than it solves.

	18-12-2003 19:53									#17
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The fault more lies with the inablility of humberside police and the CPS to charge Huntley previously. the records thing is IMHO a red herring. He had never been convicted of anything.

	18-12-2003 21:25									#18
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Were the life sentences concurrent or consecutive?
I know that consecutive sentences are very rare, but with all the hoohah surrounding this case it's possible.

The reason that charges were never pressed in any of his previous brushes with the law is that unless the CPS are convinced they will be able to secure a conviction upon the evidence they have then they will not even bother to take the case to court. There are some pretty smart lawyers around these days and therefore unless the police have a watertight case, sufficient and reasonable doubt can be proven. The CPS don't have the money to afford to pursue every case they receive on the off chance that they win more than they lose - they quite simply have to win them all so they'll hedge their bets and only take on cases with a near guarantee of a conviction.