13-12-2003 18:37									#1
	Israel to block Irish UN religion motion Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/fr...5HM1MOTION.html

Basically Ireland is proposing a general motion that condemns all religious intolerance, and Israel is angry that anti-Semitism is not getting a specific mention. This is ridiculous; to promote anti-Semitism above other forms of religious intolerance is wrong. Israel is acting irresponsibly by acting against this motion for no good reason.

Irelands compromise proposal was to propose a seperate motion to deal with anti-Semitism (which I personally consider to be a more sensible approach and fully support). However this was blown out of the water by (yup, you guessed it) those wonderful Arabs/Muslims, which considering that they are the main perpetrators of anti-Semitism, isn't really that surprising.

So, what is everybody's opinion on the current state of affairs? Do any of you actually support Israels bigoted stance on this?

	13-12-2003 18:46									#2
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I don't tolerate religion.

	13-12-2003 18:50									#3
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quote: Ireland, which has sponsored the resolution for 20 years, declined Israel's request this year to include a condemnation of anti-Semitism, on the grounds that it would lead to the perception of a hierarchy of religious intolerance and detract from the resolution's universal scope.

Absolutely correct, in my view.

	13-12-2003 18:50									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I don't tolerate religion.

	13-12-2003 19:26									#5
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Since when could Israel kill UN Motions?

	13-12-2003 20:55									#6
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Shi, I don't fully understand myself how whether the motion passes or not hinges on Israels support, but the article explicitly states that Israels consensus is required for it to go through.

	13-12-2003 20:58									#7
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Perhaps it requires a unanimus vote and Israel is the only one refusing to either vote for or abstain?

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Paiktis, this motion is being put in front of the 191 member general assembly however, and I find it hard to believe that Israel would be the only group with a bee in their bonnet over the resolution.

Maybe they are the only ones though. Which makes their refusal to play ball even more shameful.

	13-12-2003 21:15									#9
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Interesting that the word "anti-arabism" appears in the text. About time.

	13-12-2003 21:32									#10
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Perhaps it requires a unanimus vote and Israel is the only one refusing to either vote for or abstain?

riiight... that's how all those crazy anti-israeli GA resolutions have passed. Israel voted for... but not this time.

	13-12-2003 21:51									#11
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This will make great fodder for the anti-Semites. "Israel hates all other religions! Does not support intolerance motion!"

	13-12-2003 21:58									#12
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Azazel:

Anti-semitism = religious intolerance. I dont see Israels problem.

Yes the holocaust was bad. Doesn't mean the world has to revolve around Jewish sensibility.

	13-12-2003 22:18									#13
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Then is US supporting Israel on this? Why is Israel specifically mentioned and not other countries? Just asking.

	13-12-2003 22:24									#14
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BTW this is really the "cold war". Arabs say something, Israel to block it. Israel says something, Arabs to block it. And then of course even if a 3rd party proposes something, both sides rush to capitalize on whatever it is. Although I suspect this must not be the only such occurence. Must be other constantly opposing duos too in the UN.

	13-12-2003 22:29									#15
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quote: Originally posted by our_man http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/fr...5HM1MOTION.html Basically Ireland is proposing a general motion that condemns all religious intolerance, and Israel is angry that anti-Semitism is not getting a specific mention. This is ridiculous; to promote anti-Semitism above other forms of religious intolerance is wrong. Israel is acting irresponsibly by acting against this motion for no good reason. Irelands compromise proposal was to propose a seperate motion to deal with anti-Semitism (which I personally consider to be a more sensible approach and fully support). However this was blown out of the water by (yup, you guessed it) those wonderful Arabs/Muslims, which considering that they are the main perpetrators of anti-Semitism, isn't really that surprising. So, what is everybody's opinion on the current state of affairs? Do any of you actually support Israels bigoted stance on this?

I am usually pro-Israel when it comes to issues concerning that country, and the Palestinians.

But Israel is just being arrogant and unreasonable with this.

	14-12-2003 00:01									#16
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The motion could be tied up in committee-after all, before something makes it to the whole body it has to go through committees.

The Israeli position is silly but understandable, at least from this government.

	14-12-2003 01:42									#17
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quote: Anti-semitism = religious intolerance

not so at all. was the Anti-semite posterboy, Hitler, concerned with religion? didn't think so.

	14-12-2003 01:50									#18
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A UN motion.


The world trembles

	14-12-2003 02:29									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: Anti-semitism = religious intolerance not so at all. was the Anti-semite posterboy, Hitler, concerned with religion? didn't think so.

Yeah, Hitler sent people who were 1/16 Jewish to Happy Happy Fun Fun camps. Meh. I would have doubly qualified.

Anti-Semitism is different from Religious Intolerance in that it is a common Jewish view that an atheist who meets the descent rules of Judaism remains Jewish.

	14-12-2003 02:44									#20
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I am a jewish atheist.

	14-12-2003 02:48									#21
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quote: All religious intolerance is bad. It's just that because Israel exists, anti-semitism is MUCH worse than other forms of religious intolerance. We should doubly condemn it!

I tire of Israel constantly playing the "We were opressed during WW2!!!! Pay special attention to us!!!!".
But does it really surprise anyone?

	14-12-2003 02:50									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I am a jewish atheist.

As is my dad. I'm just an atheist, though

	14-12-2003 05:07									#24
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While morally it's the wrong stance, politically it's the right one - I won't scratch your back if you won't scratch my back.

And the UN isn't a moral institution but a political one.

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quote: While morally it's the wrong stance, politically it's the right one - I won't scratch your back if you won't scratch my back.

Morally wrong? So, in your view, Judaism is morally superior, and should be given precedence over all other religions?

Well dammit, I say Christianity should! This motion is anti-Christian!

	14-12-2003 05:18									#26
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Morally wrong? So, in your view, Judaism is morally superior, and should be given precedence over all other religions?

Israel's stance not to support the resolution is what's morally wrong (but politically correct).

But don't let me stop you trying to assume things in the future.

	14-12-2003 05:32									#27
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I cannot understand why England is not also taking a firm stand against this dastardly and defamatory Irish propaganda proposal!

	15-12-2003 22:02									#28
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could the motivation have been that antisemitism is on the rise this last couple of years, and that the UN has not taken note of this in any form?


Oh, no, its just the JOO's using Hitler to grab vast acres of land in the verdant Pal territories.

	15-12-2003 22:52									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I cannot understand why England is not also taking a firm stand against this dastardly and defamatory Irish propaganda proposal!

Largely because England couldn't give a ****.

	16-12-2003 07:33									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Largely because England couldn't give a ****.

Henry VIII must be rolling in his grave. Or not.