14-12-2003 10:08									#1
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Master Zen of Latin Lover has informed me that they are researching Map Making and would be interested in a trade of that technology with our people once they have completed research on it.

I accidentally posted this in the public forum and then edited it out there. Only one who noticed was Sharpe from Tabemono

	15-12-2003 20:37									#2
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Yeah we could really do with MM to protect against naval landing... I'm hoping we can get some sort of NAP agreed with LL aswell as these trade deals, perhaps having these deals depend on us having a NAP.

	15-12-2003 20:46									#3
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The deal with have with LL also included us giving them phil once we do it.

	16-12-2003 01:46									#4
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PM recieved from MZ about tech trade

MAST-TLL Tech Trade
In order to consolidate the great relationship between the Latin Lovers and MAST, both teams hereby agree on the following trade deal:


1) Team Latin Lover shall trade Horseback Riding and Polytheism to MAST

2) MAST shall trade Code of Laws and Philosophy to Team Latin Lover


May our empires and our friendship stand the test of time.

Signed:

-Master Zen
Minister of Sexterior Relations
Team Latin Lover

	16-12-2003 01:51									#5
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On IRC with MZ at the same time

MasterZen> hey
opd> hey
MasterZen> got a minute?
opd> yeah
MasterZen> have we definitely agreed on techs in the PTWDG?
opd> CoL and phil for poly and hbr?
MasterZen> AFAIK it was HBR+Poly for CoL and Philo, am I right?
MasterZen> ah ok
opd> what about a NAP?
MasterZen> oh true, a NAP
MasterZen> how long, 30 turns/
MasterZen> ?
opd> yeah cool
opd> can we renegotiate with 10 turns to go?
MasterZen> I guess so
MasterZen> let me post that in our forum, we haven't discussed NAPs
opd> We will have phil in about 8 or so turns
MasterZen> btw, we're doing MM
opd> we'd like to agree something for MM if you're going to do that too
MasterZen> sure
opd> it's just that tech trades may be dependant on a NAP
opd> as really don't want to be attacked
MasterZen> we are really quite far away to even want to attack you :P
opd> yeah I suppose
MasterZen> I just sent you a PM
MasterZen> just to get the trade in writing
opd> there's talk of your powergraph jumping recently
opd> you could do some serious warrior to legion upgrades
opd> thats what we don't want to happen
opd> well not the upgrades the coming after us with them..
MasterZen> we're building lots of cities
opd> ok thats cool then
MasterZen> seriously, DON'T WORRY about us, we have no plans on attacking anyone at this time
MasterZen> our team will very likely agree to the NAP
opd> marvelous
opd> thank you very much
MasterZen> btw, we sent you poly unaccepted because we wanted to get this tech trade settled, just accept it and we'll return the favor when we get back the turn
opd> ok, phil will be in 8 turns
opd> btw do you want us to do Rep?
MasterZen> we'll have to see
MasterZen> compare science rates
MasterZen> try and get it asap
opd> yeah it would be quicker for you to do it...

Last edited by OPD on 16-12-2003 at 01:57

	24-12-2003 05:03									#6
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Sent a PM to MZ

quote: Heya MZ, Concerning LL and mast, after your discussions will you be making a NAP with us? Also as we now both have phil and CoL we'd like to know whether you are going to research Republic so that we can decide whether or not to ourselves, were not going to do it if you are... Also we should be getting map making from SS pretty soon, where do you stand on map trading, we have uncovered alot of land with our explorations.... opd

and the response

quote: Hello OPD We have agreed to a 30-turn NAP, I thought I had already told you guys but apparently I forgot Right now LL is working on MM and we do not know of any other team doing Republic so I guess that MAST would be a good candidate to start. Cheers and happy holidays -MZ

So it looks like we have NAP with LL

Should we make a serious start on Rep now?

	24-12-2003 08:06									#7
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This is all hunky dory for now, but eventually we're the only ones LL really has as an immediate target. If they build more cities, that's just more cities to pump legionaries out of. We're still going to need allies and we're still going to need to prepare to meet their assault and pummel them in return.

	24-12-2003 13:58									#8
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ok. I suppose so

for now we have time, personally I'd rather try and convince LL not to attack us rather than convince someone to be our allies against them.

We have no lux, no iron, no horse, no good city spots, none of our cities will be very big, no wonders. LL would gain absolutely nothing by attacking us. We could even promise them some salt peter, but we'll have to see when the time comes.

	12-01-2004 02:47									#9
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I exchanged a few messages with Neissuh of LL a few days ago concerning trade for Rep


From Neissuh
LL: We will have MapMaking next turn
We also have Currency, but we can't offer it before 16 turns

Wanted: Construction, Literature & Republic of course

ideas/suggestions?

reply from me
We have an agreement to get MapMaking from SS, we haven't fixed a price but we agreed to get it from them in connection with a previous deal. We are currently working on Republic, currently it will take 22 turns but that should come down when we expand/grow.
We also have an agreement with Tabemono to give Republic for Literature and another tech which I think maybe currency but I'm not sure.

We'd very much like to set up a deal with LL for Republic too and it goes without saying that we'd give you Rep as soon as we get it rather than waiting untill you had something to trade for it.

opd

and a reply
Great! Then if you want we could go for Construction, the eight points of difference could be paid back with money or future agreements

Also, no problem for interchange maps

-Niessuh

	17-01-2004 04:27									#10
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from MWIA

GREETINGS! And map trading.
Greetings to OPD and your Mohammed Al-Sahaf Team on behalf of the newest of the Latin Lover team's Foreign Affairs staff.

I will be conducting some of this work from now on, along with MasterZen as usual, and at times some others. However, with the advantage of having English as my first language, the team was only too pleased to have me help out!

I want to kick off on a positive note:

We think a map trade as proposed by UnOrthOdOx of Tabemono would be an excellent idea, so we will be accepting any offers of maps that come our way with the next turn and replying with our own map.

We look forward to finding exactly where you hide all your women.

Until the next time,
MrWIA.

	14-02-2004 23:18									#11
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from Neissuh

PTWDG2: Construction
Greetings! We have completed Construction and It has been offered to you. I hope you will have the Republic soon

	20-02-2004 22:57									#12
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I sent this pm to LL

quote: Thanks for construction we will accept it and send it back to you. We will likely have Republic in 5 turns. In terms of the difference between the tech cost we agreed we'd sort something out for the difference in cost between the 2. The most valuable thing LL could offer to mast is the continued assurance that you will not attack us. Mast desire peaceful building more than anything else and we'd rather not have to put all our efforts into building millitary units so as to be ready for any possible conflict. Therefore we'd be delighted if you were to simply agree not to attack us rather than some other way of repaying the cost difference. If possible we'd like to have it in writing that you would not attack us for say 40 or so turns, also we hope to have a harbour soon as perhaps set up a trade for luxuries. It goes without saying that an agreement would be 2 way, more of a NAP than just you agreeing not to attack us

	22-02-2004 00:36									#13
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reply from Neissuh

quote: RE: Re: PTWDG2: Construction Great, The LL enjoy the nap! We accept the forty turns NAP, starting from this turn (570 BC). We will maintain the most obsessed members away from your borders. Construction has been sent accepted. None of our cities is making a harbour, but there's a build proposal done. Once It's done, we are open to trade with MAST

With the current turn being 98 that gives us untill turn 138.

	06-04-2004 02:12									#14
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Pm from LL

PTWDG2: Asks
Greetings, sorry for not communicate with you for a long time, It's because our comunications are completely broken, we are on anarchy! but our Gran Miembro guessed this revolt and ordered not to begin any investigation and stock gold some years ago. Now that we are trying to organize our government at our cities I think that we can use our gold to purchase technology and then start an interesting research. So we are completely open to a deal with MAST. Could you give us prices for the techs you can offer? Have you got any idea about common future research?
Yours
Niessuh, Latin Lovers