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Paddy the Scot is offline Paddy the Scot

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Hope everyone had a nice break.

Paddy, what is your take on the patch issues? I saw you were testing a few things with Rommel2D. Am I right in assuming that you can play v1.15 PBEM's on v1.22 so long as the SAV has no information in it about Radio? If so I would assume we wouldn't have any trouble playing our current games in v1.22, as we are nowhere near Radio?

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of v1.22

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hey what is wrong there Gunner...

I have 12 PBEMs in v1.22

some were created in v1.22, some were upgraded to it.

I have seen that if a game is not upgraded to v1.22, then it will never be able to upgrade to the new patches...

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Hmmm. What to do then? Continue with 1.15?

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Paddy, are you very confident that we will have no problems with the patch?

I'll go with the majority.

Over to Paddy.

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not confident, but enjoying it in other games

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I don't mind upgrading, there don't seem to be any other players in the forums having problems.

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I've yet to see a v1.15 PBEM game that DOESN'T work in v1.22.

alexman has said quite a few times that:

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A game upgrades to 1.22 if it uses modified rules (which are stored in the save file), or if it has no Radio information.

As none of us have researched Radio yet, one would assume that there is no information about it in our v1.15 sav file. Therefore we should be able to upgrade to v1.22 and get the benefit of the PBEM bugs being removed.

I don't mind either way though - I am happy to stick with v1.15 if that's what we all want. I know there are issues with that version of the game involving others being able to view your civ, but that to me just spoils the excitement and sense of accomplishment.

Paddy, you mentioned that you’d seen somewhere that v1.22 saves won’t be able to upgrade to any future patches – where did this come from? If this is indeed the case then it is probably best to wait until Firaxis announces their intentions before upgrading.

Curse these patch fuk-ups!



Edit: I've asked here at what point in the game is Radio information introduced into the sav.

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Over to Paddy.

Well, yes, that's an annoying bug that allows you to see the landmass of the previous player. Also, I learned long ago, to exit Civ complete from each game -- before loading the next. That's real annoying each morning before I head off to work - with limited time to play my turns.

I haven't been able to follow the latest news regarding the patch. I hope to avoid a second installation of civ for a different patch version. None of my other PBEMs are using 1.22 yet. That all being said, I'll go over when you guys are ready.

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Shogun, what's your reason for exiting civ completely before reloading the next PBEM?

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it will load the wrong turn for the next game...it asks for the password of one of the other players

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I don't experience that problem Shogun. For example, when I check my email in the morning before work (usually while eating Bovril on toast and sipping my tea ) I'll drag all newly received PBEM saves from outlook into my PBEM folder shortcut on desktop, then load C3C, then choose Load Game, play the first game, exit into the main screen, load the 2nd game, etc, until all saves have been played. I then exit out of C3C completely and email the new saves. I've never had a problem doing it this way.

Back to the patch debacles, alexman confirms here that he’s fairly sure radio isn't introduced into the save until one of us actually begins to research it.

So I downloaded the patch, created a triple install of C3C *sigh*, and tried loading the latest turn of our Easygoing game in v1.22.

It didn’t work. But it did work okay in v1.20.

Sooo… I guess the options are now these:

  1. Dual install v1.20 and v1.22 – use v1.20 for our current v1.15 PBEM’s only, v1.22 for new PBEM’s and all other games.
  2. Continue playing v1.15 until Firaxis get their shite together and release a patch that will fix everything for once and for all.
Again, I don’t give a monkey’s what we do, but suspect that if we’re in other v1.15 games then option 2 will be the winner.

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Andydog and Mickeyj! Why aren't you posting in the Rugby thread?!

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Castiglia!

How are you you old devil, I'll head over to the rugby thread asap. but how about those mighty sharks!!!!

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onto Andy with the save

as to the patch information... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

I will try to find that info

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Castiglia!

How are you you old devil, I'll head over to the rugby thread asap. but how about those mighty sharks!!!!




If a NZ team can't win this year they would be my second choice.

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Ok, this game can be upgraded to 1.22

with great thanks to Alexman.

there is some mucking with biq files.

I am happy to do the game files upgrade to get this game from 1.15 to 1.22

all it then needs is for each of you to load the 1.22 upgrade\

interested???

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Okay, well I guess that option could be number 3.

I did look at that, but didn't like the thought of pissing about with bic files and the like.

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Find the old conquests.biq, conquests.mb, and civilopedia.txt files. Hopefully you still have them somewhere, otherwise you can get them by extracting the 1.15 patch into an empty folder.

Backup your 1.22 conquests.biq, conquests.mb, and civilopedia.txt files, and replace them with the 1.15 ones. You should then be able to load 1.15 saves with the 1.22 patch.

After you finish your game, restore the 1.22 files.


If we agreed to this option then it would probably be wise to have a dual install, v1.22, and v1.22 (1.15) – the latter being the 1.22 version with the modified files so that it is compatible with v1.15.

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Andydog and Mickeyj! Why aren't you posting in the Rugby thread?!


Now there's someone who I wouldn't have expected to pop in! How are you Caligastia? Yes been a bit slack on the old Rugby thread, my online time seems to be taken up with PBEMs these days. I'll be sure to check out how the bickering is going. The Crusaders will win!

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I'm up for upgrading to 1.22 as i generally couldn't be *rsed with dual installs.

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Now there's someone who I wouldn't have expected to pop in! How are you Caligastia? Yes been a bit slack on the old Rugby thread, my online time seems to be taken up with PBEMs these days. I'll be sure to check out how the bickering is going. The Crusaders will win!


I'm alright thanks. I hope you're right about the Crusaders, they look like the best of the NZ teams at the moment.

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The sharks have the chiefs this evening - should be good, chiefs need to win to stay in with a chance.

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