17-12-2003 20:44									#1
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On end of year taxes there will be a new collum!

If you leave new york state to buy clothes in a neighboring state that dosent have the 8% sales tax, your givent he OPTION to add those to your taxes at the end of the year!

OF COURSE people want to pay those taxes, they just went to another state because er.... well because!

	17-12-2003 20:50									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen OF COURSE people want to pay those taxes, they just went to another state because er.... well because!

They just wanted buy at this nice nanny's abode in New Jersey, that is struggling so much

	17-12-2003 20:51									#3
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A tax on people too stupid not to get round it.

	17-12-2003 20:54									#4
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH A tax on people too stupid not to get round it.

It's completely optional. So it's not about getting around it, it's about volunteering to pay it.

	17-12-2003 20:56									#5
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. . . . . . which makes it so fvcking funny.

	17-12-2003 22:04									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It's completely optional. So it's not about getting around it, it's about volunteering to pay it.

Sorry, that bit is so dumb that I obviously blocked it out!

	17-12-2003 22:13									#7
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Illinois did the same thing for sales tax on large items if you went to Wisconsin (out of state) to buy a car or something else big. Unfortunately it was not optional. They would find out and come and get you.

	17-12-2003 22:17									#8
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It doesn't hurt NY State to ask, and at least some people will do it.

	17-12-2003 22:38									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It doesn't hurt NY State to ask, and at least some people will do it.

There truely is a sucker born every minute.

	17-12-2003 22:44									#10
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If some chick who got herself into debt shopping can earn tens of thousands of dollars via begging on the web, I'm willing to believe people will voluntarily give their money to NY State.

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quote: Originally posted by rah Illinois did the same thing for sales tax on large items if you went to Wisconsin (out of state) to buy a car or something else big. Unfortunately it was not optional. They would find out and come and get you.

I always wondered how that was constitutional.

	18-12-2003 07:31									#12
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quote: Illinois did the same thing for sales tax on large items if you went to Wisconsin (out of state) to buy a car or something else big. Unfortunately it was not optional. They would find out and come and get you.

How is that legal?

	18-12-2003 07:50									#13
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If the amount was small I would pay the tax. If you get a reputation for being a stickler then you will probably be treated more leniently/looked over in future returns. Perfect for the return where you fail to inform the IRS of your massive windfall.

	18-12-2003 12:03									#14
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was Hillary involved in this?

	18-12-2003 12:10									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It doesn't hurt NY State to ask, and at least some people will do it.

This is exactly how spam works. No cost to ask, therefore no possible losses. I wonder if you can add "NOSPAM" somewhere in your tax report.

Godunov, BTW, we yet have to fight to the death.

EDIT: no, I won't call you Boris...

	18-12-2003 12:10									#16
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quote: If you get a reputation for being a stickler then you will probably be treated more leniently/looked over in future returns.

I doubt it. This is the IRS we're talking about

	19-12-2003 06:06									#17
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I doubt it. This is the IRS we're talking about

Not out of the kindness of their hearts, no. But if The Revenue knows you to be a reliable when it comes to paying tax they are more likely to pass over your return, just like if you are an notoriously unreliable you will likely be selected for in depth tax review.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident was Hillary involved in this?

Considering U.S. Senators have exactly 0 influence on internal state matters of taxation, I doubt it.

	19-12-2003 06:14									#19
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I always wondered how that was constitutional.

You're a dual citizen of the state in which you reside, and the United States. The state has an independent taxing authority over it's citizens.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat You're a dual citizen of the state in which you reside, and the United States. The state has an independent taxing authority over it's citizens.

But the U.S. can't charge me sales tax for things I buy in England, can they?

	19-12-2003 06:18									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov But the U.S. can't charge me sales tax for things I buy in England, can they?

Concievably an import tax.

	19-12-2003 06:23									#22
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quote: The state has an independent taxing authority over it's citizens.

but they're allowed to tax things bought out of state?

	19-12-2003 07:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris EDIT: no, I won't call you Boris...

You haven't seen what a b*tch Boris can be, have you?

Don't say you haven't been warned.

	19-12-2003 07:32									#24
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In Tennessee, you are charged a sales tax on all items bought out of state if the total value of those items exceed a certain dollar amount. They're particularly vicious in regards to internet purchases, and have staffs of auditors that will literally calculate the amount of tax you owe on stuff you bought online or out of state.

They tried extending this to individuals a couple or 4 years ago, and the outcry was tremendous, so now they're just bothering corporations. Which really sucked for the mom 'n pop small-engine repair place down the street when the state shut them down for not paying their "use" tax of $4,000 dollars.

	19-12-2003 07:54									#25
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Imran and I were debating this issue of states taxing interstate commerce and we're still not sure where the authority resides (well we are sure but we just disagree ). I said the states can impose these taxes only if Congress permits
it since the power to regulate (including taxes?)
interstate commerce rests with Congress, but Imran argued the states can regulate interstate commerce because they share that power with Congress. He also argued that
if Congress remains silent on an issue, i.e., if Congress does not forbid a state from taxing interstate commerce, then that state has the power.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov If some chick who got herself into debt shopping can earn tens of thousands of dollars via begging on the web, I'm willing to believe people will voluntarily give their money to NY State.

Bullshit on both accounts, boris.

	19-12-2003 09:31									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Enigma_Nova Bullshit on both accounts, boris.

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This is but one of dozens:

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Your apology will be accepted at any time.

	19-12-2003 10:12									#28
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quote: Imran and I were debating this issue of states taxing interstate commerce

but its not interstate commerce. youre not going to another state and bringing objects in with the intent of selling them, you're going out of state buying something for personal use and bringing it back with you. How are you importing?

	19-12-2003 11:37									#29
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quote: Imran and I were debating this issue of states taxing interstate commerce and we're still not sure where the authority resides

As you can see it is bit more sticky than you (and I) first thought (seeing JohnT's post on Tennessee and Chicago's law on out of state purchases).

quote: but its not interstate commerce. youre not going to another state and bringing objects in with the intent of selling them, you're going out of state buying something for personal use and bringing it back with you. How are you importing?

The argument is that you are crossing state lines, engaging in commerical activity (buying a shirt or something) and returning back to your state. So there was interstate movement and commerce involved. If you want to get technical, you could say it is interstate commerce (it was interstate and commerce, after all). Not that I'd agree or want that, but the argument can always be made.

	19-12-2003 11:59									#30
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Space -

quote: but its not interstate commerce. youre not going to another state and bringing objects in with the intent of selling them, you're going out of state buying something for personal use and bringing it back with you. How are you importing?

I agree that isn't interstate commerce, I was responding to John T's comments about internet sales (I should have made that more clear).

Imran -

quote: As you can see it is bit more sticky than you (and I) first thought (seeing JohnT's post on Tennessee and Chicago's law on out of state purchases).

At the risk of another debate on this issue , it's only sticky because the SCOTUS and Congress have allowed it to get sticky instead of stating clearly that the power to regulate interstate commerce belongs to Congress and only Congress.
The stickiness stems from people interpreting the Constitution, not the Framers who were quite clear on the matter...

The 10th Amendment - those powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states. The power to regulate interstate commerce was given to Congress, therefore that power is not reserved to the states.