18-12-2003 07:07									#31
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Yule-tide greetings to all.

	18-12-2003 08:09									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Question from an ignorant atheist: who are you talking about?

I'm Henry the Eighth, I am, I am,
I'm Henry the Eighth, I am

	18-12-2003 08:16									#33
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What? You mean there are stil ANGLICANS ?

	18-12-2003 08:49									#34
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"I'm a Christian, but as of yet, I have not found a congregation that I can feel welcome, and where I enjoy expressing my belief/faith."

That's because you live in eastern Illinois, one of the åssholes of the United States.

	18-12-2003 08:54									#35
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Um -- I've only been in eastern Illinois since early August.

I was talking about when I was still in my home city in eastern Iowa and my experience with this one, particular Episcopalian priest's offish attitude.

	18-12-2003 09:10									#36
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Yeah well, there's no huge difference between rural Illinois and Iowa, from my perspective. I don't like either of them, and I probably never will.

	18-12-2003 09:11									#37
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You badmouth Illinois, I kick your butt!

	18-12-2003 19:37									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor What? You mean there are stil ANGLICANS ?

Uhm, yes. What, you think the C of E went somewhere? In the U.S., they became the Episcopalian Church, because it wasn't considered good form to have the head of your church be the guy you just lead a revolt against, but they are still part of the worldwide Anglican Communion. As we used to call outselves (when I was still Xian), "country club Christians."

	18-12-2003 19:51									#39
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara And Fun, Xmas was stolen from the pagans. It is a holiday celebrating the rebirth of the sun-god and his victory over darkness.

If we Jews can take a bunch of (probably Canaanite) agricultural festivals and turn them into commemorations of events in Exodus, why shouldnt the Christians get to turn a sun god festival into christmas. Reinventing things is part of the GENIUS of religion, not a mark against it. When religions CEASE to reinvent, when they become rigid and unchanging, is when they die.

	18-12-2003 20:04									#40
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark If we Jews can take a bunch of (probably Canaanite) agricultural festivals and turn them into commemorations of events in Exodus, why shouldnt the Christians get to turn a sun god festival into christmas.

No one's saying they can't ('cept those damn 7th-Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses ). We just want Fun to acknowledge he's celebrating a holiday that was completely lifted from paganism. He's in denial.

	18-12-2003 20:17									#41
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No one's saying they can't ('cept those damn 7th-Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses ). We just want Fun to acknowledge he's celebrating a holiday that was completely lifted from paganism. He's in denial.

I guess he could point out that by putting new meanings in Christians completely transformed the holiday, rendering it into something new.

Kinda like capitalism grows out feudalism, but ends up a novum. Its a Hegelian thing, Guevera.

	18-12-2003 20:22									#42
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or socialism and communism grow out of capitalism, and end up novum.

	18-12-2003 21:06									#43
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I guess he could point out that by putting new meanings in Christians completely transformed the holiday, rendering it into something new. Kinda like capitalism grows out feudalism, but ends up a novum. Its a Hegelian thing, Guevera.

He could, that would would require more thought than we usualy put into our posts.

	18-12-2003 21:11									#44
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i think you like mrfun. it's cute.

	18-12-2003 21:11									#45
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What's your point?

	18-12-2003 22:23									#46
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that it's adorable.

	18-12-2003 22:34									#47
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No one's saying they can't ('cept those damn 7th-Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses ). We just want Fun to acknowledge he's celebrating a holiday that was completely lifted from paganism. He's in denial.

I've already pointed this out.

	19-12-2003 01:30									#48
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I've already pointed this out.

Revisionist!

The key difference between what I (and others) have been writing is that the holiday was lifted COMPLETELY from the pagans, and yuo keeps saying "some traditions." There is a gulf between those two statements. Some does not equal all.

	19-12-2003 03:15									#49
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It's not all -- simply because of the fact that it was not possible for pagans to celebrate the birth of someone before he/she was born.

	19-12-2003 03:24									#50
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YOU MUST CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS!!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

OBEY OR BE DESTROYED!!!

HAPPY XMAS

	19-12-2003 03:32									#51
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Merry Christmas to all the Xians.
Happy Hanukkah to all the Jews.
Happy Rammadan to all the Muslims.
And that Quanza thingee, too.

I think there is nothing wrong in celebrating a holiday, as long as you don't bring any special historical meaning to it. I certainly don't celebrate the grand victory of the jews over the Seleucids, nor the fact that the oil can lasted for 8 days. I celebrate family, and friends, the way it should be.

	19-12-2003 03:51									#52
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I'm a Christian, and while I celebrate Christmas with my family and friends, I try to remember the real reason why I celebrate -- the birth of Jesus Christ.

	19-12-2003 04:07									#53
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun It's not all -- simply because of the fact that it was not possible for pagans to celebrate the birth of someone before he/she was born.

The point you keep failing to understand is, the Xian simply substituted one god for another. The names were changed to prevent the ignorant from becoming suspicious.