18-12-2003 21:10									#1
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As our plans proceed for maxxing out our development on the lands we do have - I was thinking of new land possibilities.

Four come to mind:

1. The squiggle of land across the straight from memory and SeaB. Lego has obviously asked that we not develop there - but I was thinkiing we could ask again. we would commit to never having a military unit in the city - unless we are threatened, and even then, only with their approval. They could park a unit on the mountain to keep an eye on things. We would commit to building on one of the hill tiles, and, and only using the two plains tiles within two tiles of the hills.

So - would we pay for this land?

2. The Little Bob Island. Currently owned and settled by GoW. I doubt they would part with it - but we can always ask.

3. Land on Bob. Can we ask for a settlement area. It can be a long way away - and be crummy land for all we care. We would have to get a FP built - and that would be very tough in a distant, and therefore corrupt, city. Oh for a GL. I', also not sure ND/GoW would entertain such an idea.

4. As of yet undiscovered islands. We know they are probably out there, having played enough SP civ. We need to be ready to go with ships as soon as we can. I expect there will be a bit of a sea exploration race to find them. We are not in a bad spot for that. But we may be late getting the necessary tech. This is something we can discuss with Lego - along with #1.

Any thoughts, comments, or other ideas?

	18-12-2003 21:49									#2
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And speaking of # 4 - islands yet to be discovered - I have checked the save. If you will recall - we used our galleys to do the most extensive survey around Voxtavia that current technology allows.

And we have two sea tile 'regions' out there - suggesting - if not guaranteeing islands.

The first is 4-4-7-7 from Hope. A single sea tile which likely implies as small island.

The second - and much more significant is the area 9-9-9-9 from renewal. What i see there are 6 sea tiles running NW-SE. This may imply a reasonably good sized body of land.

Do we want to try and get one of our galleys there - or do we want to wait for caravels? Note that both these areas are reachable by caravels with strictly Astronomy.

	18-12-2003 22:16									#3
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Regarding #1, if I recall Lego wants to build that city to provide them quick sea travel around their continent without having to go around the peninsula. You can ask, but I still doubt they will let us build there.

For #2 and #3, I imagine at the moment that we'd only get either of these by going to war with GoW/ND. They control that area. They aren't going to just give cities up because we want to have them.

At the moment I think #4 would be our best bet for finding new lands. Once we have astronomy we can upgrade our galleys, at least a few, to explore sea lanes.

	21-12-2003 18:51									#4
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I got a quick note from vondrack . Official reply yet to come. As suspected, Lego does not want to give up the sqiggle. Also - bad news about the potential for an island to the NW.

See the Lego FA thread for the note.