19-12-2003 17:32									#1
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http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031218/1725001407_1.html

while microsoft may well have been violating the anti-trust agreement, i can't say i feel too sorry for realmedia.

realone is easily one of the worst pieces of shitware i've had to deal with, trying to take over every goddamned thing it can.

	19-12-2003 17:33									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed realone is easily one of the worst pieces of shitware i've had to deal with, trying to take over every goddamned thing it can.

	19-12-2003 18:39									#3
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I agree completely.

	19-12-2003 18:59									#4
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	19-12-2003 19:09									#5
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Real has certainly turned into a scummy program which is disappointing cos it was so good when it started out and its a pretty good video format.

You can also download add-ons that allow real to be played by WMP (certain versions only).

	19-12-2003 19:11									#6
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Why the hell does anyone actually encode media to real format, anyways?

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Its more suitable for low bit rate stuff at still reasonable quality.

	19-12-2003 19:42									#8
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Real Player is scum.
I can't wait their going bankrupt, for the World Will Be Cleansed of This Scourge at last.

	20-12-2003 02:34									#9
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I play Real clips through Winamp 5.

	20-12-2003 02:37									#10
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What sort of clips? Enquiring minds wanna know...

How long has Winamp 5 been out, I just got it....I've been using 2. something for a long time

	20-12-2003 04:54									#11
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winamp is going the same way as real

	20-12-2003 04:59									#12
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What's wrong with Winamp?

	20-12-2003 05:35									#13
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It's owned by AOL

	20-12-2003 18:07									#14
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IMO winamp was (and maybe still is) the best MP3 player, and I've used it for that (not for video) for years. What I've noticed is that winamp and musicmatch are both going the same way that real has gone. When you install the newer versions they try to take over your PC (without permission). I no longer install any video/MP3 players on my gaming machine other than WMP (which is much better than it used to be anyway) cos I dont want to deal with the driver and other ****ups that installing real/winamp/musicmatch can cause.

	20-12-2003 19:52									#15
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musicmatch has always sucked.
real is ****.

winamp still makes it pretty damn easy for you to not associate anything with it. so does wmp.

	21-12-2003 06:42									#16
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Musicmatch has some very useful and simple to use mp3 to wav (and vice versa) converters.

Winamp asks if you want it to take over all music and video every time you start it. That irritation, combined with some of the conflicts it has created on my older systems are reason to avoid it. I havent tried it on a winxp system, but then again why should I with the crap it's caused on my other machines?

	21-12-2003 07:23									#17
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I basically use Real One Player to play internet radio and music samples. Despite this the connection times are unacceptibly long and pieces are often interrupted as the real Player struggles to keep up. Having a cable modem connection I find this to be very irritating.

	21-12-2003 07:41									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Real Player is scum. I can't wait their going bankrupt, for the World Will Be Cleansed of This Scourge at last.

	21-12-2003 08:54									#19
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Winamp asks if you want it to take over all music and video every time you start it.

Err, if you don't want it to maintain links at the startup (which most people DO, since other programs hijack winamp's rights), did it ever occur to you to turn off "Restore File Associations at Winamp Startup", clearly labeled in the preferences?

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Err, if you don't want it to maintain links at the startup (which most people DO, since other programs hijack winamp's rights),

but I dont

They're not winamps rights. I want to choose what files to associate with what (as I could with the older winamp). The problem with using the older winamp is that it constantly asks for access thru the firewall so it can check for updates. **** that!

quote: did it ever occur to you to turn off "Restore File Associations at Winamp Startup", clearly labeled in the preferences?

No **** eh? And winamp 7 or 8 ( I forget which) will ask win98se every time if I want to change that. If you do make the mistake of choosing yes, it associates everything it can without asking which ones. Yes, I know I can fix that, but why should I have to. Even MS asks nowadays before it does something to your system. What has MS learned that winamp etc have not?

EDIT: as I said before it may be better with XP but I'm not willing to try.

	21-12-2003 22:11									#21
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^ You can turn off the auto-updater, it's right in the "Setup" portion of the preferences. Winamp never chirps for net access at all after you've done that (except for CDDB lookups which I do allow). And you can turn off the file-associations grab, too. And there is no Winamp 7 or Winamp 8, so I wonder if you even know what you're talking about.

	22-12-2003 03:22									#22
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HEY,

Just thought I would mention a Real player that is cool.

Real One Arcade is fun. Most games can only be played for 60 minutes and then you must buy to keep playing, but fun.

One of their better things

	22-12-2003 17:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by optimus2861 ^ You can turn off the auto-updater, it's right in the "Setup" portion of the preferences. Winamp never chirps for net access at all after you've done that (except for CDDB lookups which I do allow).

except for cddb lookups

Which I block. You may allow someone else to decide when programs on your PC access the net but I dont. Nor do I want them running in the background waiting for a break in the firewall.

quote: And you can turn off the file-associations grab, too.

I shouldnt have to turn off file associations grabs and as I recall you could only turn it off for a max of 1 month(although that could have been another player)

quote: And there is no Winamp 7 or Winamp 8, so I wonder if you even know what you're talking about.

Thats correct there is no winamp 7 or 8. I didnt remember the winamp versions that I no longer use and I didnt bother to look at the installers I have archived.

But since I did look this morning, the installers that I still have stored and therefore the last I used were 2.64, 2.72, 2.80, 2.81.

If you bother to read my posts you'll note that I wasnt sure which versions were what (hell I may be mixing up aspects of different programs since I no longer use them ) and I acknowledge that things may have changed since I used those programs.

It doesnt change the fact that real, MS, apple, winamp and musicmatch all went down the same path toward controlling your puter.

Happy now?

	22-12-2003 23:44									#24
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^ Where did I say that I allow "others" to decide whether or not programs get access to the net? I screen everything through my firewall; Winamp is set to "ask" so I still have to approve every time it goes out on CDDB. The only programs I give permanent "on" status to are my web browser (Mozilla), email (Pegasus), and news reader (XNews). (Any MS rep would faint at the sight of my desktop )

As for the "one month" bit -- you must be thinking of another player (sounds like Real, it often seems to whine about extensions). Winamp doesn't do that. At least not with 2.xx. I found the 3.xx to be major bloatware and never bothered with it.

And I don't disagree about vendors trying to exert more & more control over people's computers -- it's for that reason I won't buy activation-riddled software (WinXP is the one exception I made, the first, last and only exception), and I seriously doubt I'm touching Longhorn.