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Flip McWho
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May 2002
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Of course the war was over oil. As well as over things like liberation and bringing democracy to the Iraqi people etc etc etc. Am I the only one who doesn't care that the war was also over oil? Strategically for the US it is important to bring stability to that region. I mean who really cares its done isn't it? The wars over, Saddams been captured and some diehards are still killing themselves for no good reason. (When will people learn that killing yourself for the 'cause' is not the best way to do things)
Besides too late now to be still arguing over it. Hell, by the looks of it most goals have been achieved or are on their way to being achieved.
Also I don't think the CIA is as powerful as it can be made out to be.
Oh, another reason that the oil companies could be investing in those other areas is that well oil is gonna run out someday so its best to plan for the future isn't it? Especially when your a company that wishes to still be making loads of cash in the future aswell.
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mrmitchell
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I mean who really cares its done isn't it? |
Then who really cares that he murdered many hundred thousand people? That's done too isn't it?
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mrmitchell
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Kirn+Flip: Exactly! Or a resource that might be displaced by a better one.
If a horse&buggy investor built a car factory, that wouldn't make HIM nervous, now would it?
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Flip McWho
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New Zealand
May 2002
time: 17:32
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Then who really cares that he murdered many hundred thousand people? That's done too isn't it? |
Who? Bush, Saddam, Bin Laden? I'm guessing your talking about Saddam. I see your point. My who really cares was over the whole oil issue. I think it has been done to death and it doesn't really matter if Bush did go to war for oil only as he managed to do the (well some of the) other things aswell as secure oil for America.
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Bereta_Eder
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Actually OPEC still has a lot to do with setting world wide oil pricing. Even if one Arab leader so much as farts in a state dinner about oil he's all over the headlines. The only ones escaping are the non OPEC major oil producing countries which the OPEC tries to get to his side.
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Bereta_Eder
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Not "dictate" it of course but to a very large degree influence it.
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Tripledoc
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World oil and gas 'running out'
By CNN's Graham Jones
Thursday, October 2, 2003
Global oil supplies will peak soon after 2010, Swedish scientists say.
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LONDON, England -- Global warming will never bring a "doomsday scenario" a team of scientists says -- because oil and gas are running out much faster than thought.
The world's oil reserves are up to 80 percent less than predicted,a team from Sweden's University of Uppsala says. Production levels will peak in about 10 years' time, they say.
"Non-fossil fuels must come in much stronger than it had been hoped," Professor Kjell Alekett told CNN.
Oil production levels will hit their maximum soon after 2010 with gas supplies peaking not long afterwards, the Swedish geologists say.
At that point prices for petrol and other fuels will reach disastrous levels. Earlier studies have predicted oil supplies will not start falling until 2050.
Alekett said that his team had examined data on oil and gas reserves from all over the world and we were "facing a very critical situation globally."
"The thing we are surprised of is that people in general are not aware of the decline in supplies and the extent to which it will affect production.
"The decline of oil and gas will affect the world population more than climate change."
According to the Uppsala team, nightmare predictions of melting ice caps and searing temperatures will never come to pass because the reserves of oil and gas just are not big enough to create that much carbon dioxide (CO2).
Alekett said that as well as there being inflated estimates, some countries in the Middle East had exaggerated the amount of reserves they had.
Coal-burning could easily make up the shortfall. But burning coal would be even worse for the planet, as it would create even more CO2, he said.
Predictions of global meltdown by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) sparked the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, an agreement obliging signatory nations to cut CO2 emissions.
The IPCC examined a range of future scenarios, from profligate burning of fossil-fuels to a fast transition towards greener energy sources.
The Uppsala team say the amount of oil and gas left is the equivalent of around 3,500 billion barrels of oil -- the IPCC say between 5,000 and 18,000 billion barrels.
Alekett said his team had now established what they called the "Uppsala Protocol" to initiate discussion on how the problems of declining reserves could be tackled -- protecting the world economy but also addressing the problem of climate change.
The conclusions of the Uppsala team were revealed in the magazine New Scientist Thursday, and Nebojsa Nakicenovic, of the University of Vienna who headed the IPCC team said it was standing by its figures.
He said they had factored in a much broader and internationally accepted range of oil and gas estimates then the "conservative" Swedes.
A conference in Russia this week heard a warning that global warming kills about 160,000 people through its effects every year. The numbers dying from "side-effects" of climate change, such as malaria and malnutrition, could almost double by 2020, the climate change conference in Moscow was told.
"We estimate that climate change may already be causing in the region of 160,000 deaths... a year," Andrew Haines of the UK's London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine said. story)
Most deaths would be in developing nations in Africa, Latin America and Southeast Asia, says Haines. These regions would be worst hit by the spread of malnutrition, diarrhea and malaria as a result of warmer temperatures, droughts and floods. |
Link to the Uppsala Protocol.
http://www.isv.uu.se/uhdsg/UppsalaProtocol.html
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