21-12-2003 03:35									#1
	Random Ravings. Support Apolyton

Well, some of you are used to it by now, for others this will be new.

Talking to Sharpe on what's going on here. Keep in mind I haven't been all too active or informed.

quote: Rentose: just reading your GoW stole the peace deal piece in the PTWDG forum SirUlias: I was getting ready to kick the holy hell out of something with my bear... Rentose: yeah, you killed Diablo with him eh? SirUlias: Well, he more absorbed damage for Makeo while makeo killed D. SirUlias: He has been upgraded and made a complete mockery of the ancients, though. Rentose: my SP sorcerer got past Mephisto (died over 12 times though) SirUlias: LOL softycore players and their 'problems'. Rentose: considering sorcs are my weakest unit IMHO, I am pleased with the result actually Rentose: Kloreep and I are chatting and wondering if Tabemono is doing too well SirUlias: TOO well? Rentose: hopefully not well enough to get the other 3 on the continent to gang up on us Rentose: but we are nearly up to 40% of the powergraph SirUlias: My suggestion is pick a team. SirUlias: Make it 2 on 2 SirUlias: Agree now to share half the island, and start planning to remove the other two. Rentose: not a bad idea - should wait for riders to make it more fun SirUlias: Not sunshine, IMO, they have been rather agressive diplomatically. SirUlias: MAST cannot be trusted simply by their concept... SirUlias: So...I would say Latin Lovers without any map knowledge. Rentose: that and MAST is frankly too weak IMHO Rentose: MAST is struggling to keep up in tech SirUlias: How is our contacts with them? SirUlias: LL Rentose: hmm, friendly but they are very secretive SirUlias: Wouldn't expect anything else from MZ Rentose: all 3 so far seem to be trying to cury favor with us SirUlias: You guys want me to get involved in diplomacy? I wouldn't mind chatting with MZ. SirUlias: We know each other well. Rentose: I would bring it up in the forum Rentose: don't know if we are doing the ambassador thing or not Rentose: I share your suspicions about Sunshine (especially with their vast territory to the south) Rentose: LL seems to be going for a mass Legion upgrade tactic - against whom isn't clear yet SirUlias: I was just speaking from what I've read, I've been rather inactive. Who is Sunshine, and who is MAST? Are we into deceiving anyone or not as a team? Rentose: no deceptions yet SirUlias: MAST is Aztecs? Rentose: yep MAST = Aztecs, Sunshine =Greeks, LL = Romans SirUlias: IMO, our best bet is to come up with SOMETHING against one of the teams and sponsor a dog-pile Rentose: well Sunshine let us know that MAST was near them, but didn't let MAST know that LL was near MAST and vice versa SirUlias: Well, then. MAST is the first target then. Our reasons: 1 they can not be trusted 2 they violated our boarder 3 (that we don't tell other teams) Sunshine is too difficult to attack with Hoplites 4 we want to strengthen LL to help with taking Sunshine. Rentose: now LL has gone and is researching MM by themselves, while we traded for it with Sunshine already SirUlias: So Sunshine and LL don't get along...Perfect. Rentose: downside - MAST is the furthest away from us SirUlias: Not a problem, what are our forces comprised of? SirUlias: Are we going horsies? or sword upgrades? Rentose: 10 warriors 14 spears 7 workers SirUlias: We have horses? Rentose: we are planning on doing a horse run now that we have HBR SirUlias: I would say laying out a 50 turn plan for all 3 teams. Rentose: yeah horses are linked, iron is available but isn't yet SirUlias: Then, we will NOT take any of the new territory, this will lull both the other teams into our confidence in that we are not out to conquer, but just wanted those who violated our confidence removed. Where Sunshine had asked, MAST just violated boarders, that would be our official reason. SirUlias: We assist with horsies, let the others bear the brunt of it as much as possible. Rentose: our lead in power may be artificial of course - Sunshine has only 5 cities that we see while we just built our 10th SirUlias: Cities = power. Where Sunshine is comprised of mostly RP team, that doesn't surprise me, their city placement and infrastructure was moronic. Rentose: yeah we have a good balance of builders and warriors SirUlias: Where GoW's looks odd, all cities were purposely placed on hills to defend against ND's early sword rush. Rentose: hmm, we didn't have enough hills to do that SirUlias: Well, it was just that sword rush that forced us. Rentose: yeah, right now I would want to make sure that LL isn't building up to take out us - we are their main rivals for power so far SirUlias: Right, that's why I would say meet early, agree to share the land, then systematically remove the other two. We know them and Sunshine don't get along all to well, so we just need them to agree to help with MAST, who cannot be trusted. SirUlias: I'm going to copy this out to the forum. Rentose: sure

Again, I am just choosing LL based on what little I have read, they seem the most reliable.

MAST is the first target based on Hoplites in Sunshine. I don't know, maybe the landmass could support 3 nations, haven't looked. Perhaps we would be fine with us, Sunshine, and LL...

	21-12-2003 04:30									#2
	Put an end to popups!

You would be great for ambassador to LL. I vote for you.

I think the landmass could support 3 nations if they were all willing to squeeze their cores a little; we don't know the southern extent of the continent yet though, we're still scouting down there. That said, this doesn't mean it should support 3 nations. And I would definitely like to take out Sunshine; even if we get all the land up till the mountain range between us (and clear all the jungle in that land ), we can just barely fit two cores in. (If you can call them cores; that lake smack in the middle of our territory really messes things up. Way to go Panzer. ) In short, our life would be much better if we conquered Sunshine, IMO.

That said, I'm a little wary here. Once LL knocks off MAST they'll be a big power, perhaps the power. Granted, we're the big cheese right now, so why shouldn't LL fear us... but frankly, we're a hollow threat. We're armed with spears and warriors to the gills, but we're in 0% percent shape to go fight someone. I doubt that's the case with LL, who's likely gearing up to do an upgrade craze as we speak. If we help them smash MAST, they'll have more land and a nice fat buffer between everyone and their core. In short, we would not be able to do anything if they backstabbed us and did not fight Sunshine, or worse fought alongside them. That's my main concern about sitting down with LL and dividing the continent; there's no way both wars could be fought at once, and they get their goodies first.

Anyway, there are my response ravings.

	22-12-2003 19:28									#3
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

As I said, I was speaking purely off of what I've read and with absolutely NO knowledge of the map.

From what I've heard, sunshine and LL does not get along all too well. LL is being forced into researching map instead of trading for it.

Where is MAST?

Can we get Sunshine to also expand into MAST territory?

I know it sounds a bit odd strengthening a team we eventually want to conquer, but it would prevent LL from becomming the big cheese. Also, WOULD sunshine be a better choice?

Can we look past some of their diplomacy and live along side of them? I don't want to be transferring my old problems with Roleplay onto them, which I admit oculd be jading my opinion of the team as a whole. If we find that Sunshine would be a better team to live with in the longrun, then perhaps it would be best to target LL first.

MAST, though, also presents a great opportunity there as well. I understand they might be the weakest right now, but if we took out LL, they would come to be in a very good place to help with Sunshine later...