22-12-2003 09:21									#1
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The good ol' National Security Archive (a non-profit NGO) has been making a chronicle of our coddling of Saddam and his atrocities over these years from recently declassified US documents. Enjoy:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB107/index.htm

	22-12-2003 09:57									#2
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You are awesome Ramo...

	22-12-2003 10:06									#3
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Thanks.

	22-12-2003 10:27									#4
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Capitalists' love evil dictators sooo much.

	22-12-2003 10:29									#5
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Not true. We don't love Stalin or Lenin or Mao.

	22-12-2003 10:33									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Crimson Sunrise Not true. We don't love Stalin or Lenin or Mao.

Oh, you're not that bad then I guess.

	22-12-2003 10:34									#7
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quote: Not true. We don't love Stalin or Lenin or Mao.

Well we loved Stalin for a while. After all, there was a bigger enemy to go against and I see nothing wrong with backing Stalin in WW2 or Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war.

	22-12-2003 10:43									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Not true. We don't love Stalin or Lenin or Mao. Well we loved Stalin for a while. After all, there was a bigger enemy to go against and I see nothing wrong with backing Stalin in WW2 or Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war.

Are you saying the ends justify the means?

	22-12-2003 10:44									#9
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quote: Are you saying the ends justify the means?

Of course.

That's my line, man

	22-12-2003 10:55									#10
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Over a million died and neither gov't was toppled by revolutionary forces for freedom^tm. Tell me exactly how the ends justified the means...

Hell, the balance of power wasn't even maintained in the region, hence our little scuffle a couple years after the Iran-Iraq war ended.

	22-12-2003 10:55									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Are you saying the ends justify the means? Of course. That's my line, man

I may have a problem with your ends, and visa versa.

	22-12-2003 10:58									#12
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quote: Over a million died and neither gov't was toppled by revolutionary forces for freedomtm. Tell me exactly how the ends justified the means...

It prevented Iran from speading an Islamic revolution, which it was threatening to do. Better to weaken Iran at that point... everyone in the ME at the point in time was scared shitless of them (which is why they all backed Iraq... even SA, who has those Wahabbist wackos running around).

quote: I may have a problem with your ends, and visa versa

That's nice .

	22-12-2003 11:01									#13
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quote: It prevented Iran from speading an Islamic revolution, which it was threatening to do. Better to weaken Iran at that point... everyone in the ME at the point in time was scared shitless of them (which is why they all backed Iraq... even SA, who has those Wahabbist wackos running around).

The Iranian gov't was preferable to the Iraqi gov't IMO. I wouldn't be sad if the Ba'athists got their asses kicked at the time.

	22-12-2003 11:01									#14
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I wonder if the "it's okay to sell our souls to the devil" crowd would be so apologetic towards Saddam supporters if a US made chemical weapon kills a few thousand in New York or LA in the next few weeks...

I sure hope something like that doesn't happen to wake these dopes up.

	22-12-2003 11:07									#15
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The US govt prefered Iraq over Iran for economic reasons. It had nothing to do with which govt was more evil. It wasn't until Iraq attacked Kuwait that the US turned against Iraq.

	22-12-2003 11:15									#16
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Yes, Kid... it was for economic reasons.

Please. Islamic fundy's gaining control of a country always has sent jitters through American politicians. That and the hostage crisis made the US really dislike Iran. There would have been NO WAY that the US government would have backed Iran after that hostage crisis. It would have been political suicide.

	22-12-2003 11:18									#17
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We did (remember Iran-Contra?). We backed both gov't's. We wanted an extremely bloody stalemate.

	22-12-2003 11:21									#18
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Was Iran-Contra selling arms for hostages?

Anyway, it was also unpublisized, right? Because if it came out, it would have been political suicide. It is kinda hard to ignore a war .

	22-12-2003 11:21									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo We did (remember Iran-Contra?). We backed both gov't's. We wanted an extremely bloody stalemate.

yup... Saddam conquering Iran? no good... Iran conquering Iraq? no good... both kicking the **** outta each other with US support? good for Reagan and his evil pukeface administration.