23-12-2003 19:05									#1
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Can someone help me improve the following decks? Bear in mind that I am on a budget when making your recommendations.

Deck 1:

1x Akroma, Angel of Wrath
3x Silver Knight
1x White Knight
3x Auriok Steelshaper
1x Skyhunter Cub
1x Jareth, Leonine Titan
2x Loxodon Punisher
2x Master Decoy
3x Leonin Den-Guard
2x Auriok Bladewarden
2x Slith Ascendent
1x Leonin Skyhunter
1x Commander Eesha
1x Daru Warchief
1x Arrest
2x Repentance
1x Sword of Kaldra
4x Bonesplitter
2x Fireshrieker
2x Loxodon Warhammer
2x Slagwurm Armor
22x Plains

	23-12-2003 19:06									#2
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Deck 2:

4x Muscle Sliver
2x Crypt Sliver
2x Victual Sliver
2x Metalic Sliver
2x Talon Sliver
1x Essence Sliver
2x Heart Sliver
3x Winged Sliver
1x Magma Sliver
1x Brood Sliver
2x Plated Sliver
2x Spectral Sliver
2x Blade Sliver
2x Shifting Sliver
1x Toxin Sliver
1x Synapse Sliver
1x Sliver Overlord
1x Worldly Tutor
1x Serras Blessing
2x Rampant Growth
2x Explosive Vegetation
5x Mountain
4x Swamp
4x Island
6x Forest
4x Plains

	25-12-2003 09:38									#3
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That first deck looks pretty good. I'll only say that if you can find any, replace the Master Decoys with Whipcorders- you're mono-White, so the difference between a WW and a 1W casting cost is pretty irrelevant. The extra point of power helps.

Adding an extra plains might help as well. Your casting costs are reasonably low, but not THAT low (what with the Jareth & Akroma). 23 lands is probably a bit safer. You can make the extra land a Secluded Steppe, so if you don't need it, you can just cycle it away.

	25-12-2003 13:26									#4
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sorry. my magic knoweldge ends with visions.

i do have some more recent cards available, though. from... onslought and legions? cant remember. hell. i'll give them to you for just shipping costs.

	29-12-2003 19:52									#5
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Let's see how this one goes over:

Non-land (38)
Frogmite x 4
Myr Enforcer x 4
Somber Hoverguard x 3
Thoughtcast x 2
Thirst for Knowledge x 3
Aether Spellbomb x 2
Irradiate x 4
Assert Authority x 4
Dragon Blood x 1
Orinthoptor x 1
Talisman of Dominance x 4
Steel Wall x 2
Broodstar x 2
Lodestone Myr x 2

Land (22)
Seat of the Synod x 4
Vault of Whispers x 4
Island x 11
Swamp x 3

	31-12-2003 05:18									#6
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Doesn't look like much land in there? Unless you add more cheap artifacts to bring the cost of the rest of them down. Some more Ornithopters would be handy I reckon.

	31-12-2003 10:02									#7
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So this has nothing to do with Michael the Great, does it?

	31-12-2003 10:45									#8
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No, no it doesn't.

	31-12-2003 11:09									#9
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I blame you for that.

	31-12-2003 11:58									#10
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Lets not turn this into a spam-thread, Dino.
Please respect the the thread-starter's original purpose for this thread.

	01-01-2004 06:08									#11
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I'm not an expert on use of the affinity ability, but the deck looks pretty good. The average mana cost does appear a little on the high side (from what I remember of the Mirrodin card list).

	03-01-2004 08:11									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Doesn't look like much land in there? Unless you add more cheap artifacts to bring the cost of the rest of them down.

What do you think of these changes?

Non-land (38)
Frogmite x 4
Myr Enforcer x 4
Somber Hoverguard x 3
Thoughtcast x 3
Thirst for Knowledge x 2
Aether Spellbomb x 2
Fabricate x 4
Assert Authority x 4
Dragon Blood x 1
Orinthoptor x 1
Welding Jar x 4
Steel Wall x 2
Broodstar x 2
Lodestone Myr x 2

Land (22)
Seat of the Synod x 4
Cloudpost x 4
Island x 14

quote: Some more Ornithopters would be handy I reckon.

I'll add them when I get them.

	04-01-2004 09:29									#13
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quote: Memnarch - 7 Artifact Creature - Wizard Legend (R) 1UU: Target permanent becomes an artifact in addition to its other types. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.) 3U: Gain control of target artifact. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.) "In the blur between metal and flesh, Memnarch found madness." 4/5

This is my favorite leaked card from Darksteel so far. What kind of deck do you think it would go in?

	04-01-2004 11:43									#14
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I have to make this deck with the new M set and 8th

and I only have certain cards (but enough that I cann't show all of them)

this is what it is right now, ignore the sideboard, that is just an artifact

SB: 5 Swamp
6 Mountain
SB: 4 Mountain
1 Leveler
SB: 1 Leveler
1 Mass Hysteria
SB: 1 Mass Hysteria
1 Myr Incubator
SB: 1 Myr Incubator
1 Tower of Eons
SB: 1 Tower of Eons
1 Detonate
SB: 1 Detonate
1 Duskworker
SB: 1 Duskworker
2 Heartwood Shard
SB: 2 Heartwood Shard
1 Blinkmoth Well
SB: 1 Blinkmoth Well
1 Icy Manipulator
SB: 1 Icy Manipulator
1 Lightning Greaves
SB: 1 Lightning Greaves
2 Myr Mindservant
SB: 2 Myr Mindservant
1 Needlebug
SB: 1 Needlebug
2 Ornithopter
SB: 2 Ornithopter
1 Stalking Stones
SB: 1 Stalking Stones
SB: 2 Consume Spirit
1 Hematite Golem
SB: 1 Hematite Golem
1 Nim Lasher
SB: 1 Nim Lasher
2 Leaden Myr
SB: 2 Leaden Myr
2 Seething Song
SB: 2 Seething Song
2 Tooth of Chiss-Goria
SB: 2 Tooth of Chiss-Goria
1 Dross Scorpion
SB: 2 Dross Scorpion
1 Goblin Replica
SB: 1 Goblin Replica
2 Pyrite Spellbomb
SB: 2 Pyrite Spellbomb
1 Terror
SB: 1 Terror
1 Iron Myr
SB: 1 Iron Myr
SB: 3 Omega Myr
1 Vault of Whispers
SB: 1 Vault of Whispers
1 Royal Assassin
SB: 1 Royal Assassin
1 Enrage
SB: 1 Enrage


I am playing of course on apprentice

Jon Miller

	05-01-2004 04:22									#15
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc quote: Memnarch - 7 Artifact Creature - Wizard Legend (R) 1UU: Target permanent becomes an artifact in addition to its other types. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.) 3U: Gain control of target artifact. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.) "In the blur between metal and flesh, Memnarch found madness." 4/5 This is my favorite leaked card from Darksteel so far. What kind of deck do you think it would go in?

A pox on thee! I was trying to not look at Darksteel leaks.



But now that I've seen Memnarch, I think you could use him in an artifact-stealing deck.

Either you hose people who use lots of artifacts with his second ability, or you can turn good creatures and enchantments into artifacts and then steal them either with his ability or Domineer, Steal Artifact, etc. He's a little pricey (same mana cost as a Platinum Angel!).

	05-01-2004 05:02									#16
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc What do you think of these changes?

I like it. The Welding Jars and Fabricates do the business.

	06-01-2004 08:00									#17
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/Dinodoc summons the Jedi.

About time we had a Magic thread. How about posting some card descriptions for the poor folks without apprentice?

	06-01-2004 08:03									#18
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Okay, here are my suggestions.

For your white deck, why not try a few Knights of dawn? They are 1WW that can gain protection from white for WW.

As for the slivers, Crystallines are always handy for diverting cheese.