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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:32
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I haven't played enough to do a thorough ranking, but I'd put Agricultural at #1. Then I'd have a group that includes Commercial, Religious and Scientific. Next tier would be Ind, Sea, Mil, Exp (not necessarily in that order).
Basically, I've dropped Industrious a LOT, since it has lost most of its power (IMO). The bonus is down to 50% and it doesn't apply to slaves. Militaristic has also taken a hit in my estimation. It still provides the cheap barracks/walls/harbors/airports, and the new & improved armies do rock, but gone is the rushing of GWs with MGLs.
With the new emphasis on research, commercial and scientific are each more important. Being commercial gives you extra income to spend on research, and it means you start with alphabet, allowing a philosophy beeline for a free tech. Scientific civs get the higher chance of SGLs to add to the building discounts & free tech.
But like I said, I haven't played enough to be at all sure of my ranking.
-Arrian
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Jeem
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Ayrshire, Scotland
Sep 2001
time: 05:32
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I'd go with...
=1) Industrious
=1) Religious
=1) Agricultural
4) Seafaring
5) Commercial
6) Militaristic
7) Scientific
8) Expansionist
Pre Conquests, I'd have ranked them...
=1) Industrious
=1) Commercial
=1) Religious
4) Militaristic
5) Scientific
6) Expansionist
I dunno what's happened to my beloved Commercial, but it doesn't seem to do what it used to. Either that or it seems to much of a boon in the late game, and not enough in the early game.
Like others, I'd also like to see cheap marketplaces/banks etc, or having +1 trade on all coastal/river towns instead of having to wait until they are cities. Maybe cheaper rush-building under representative governments? Right now, Commercial seems a poor cousin to Seafaring.
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Jeem
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Ayrshire, Scotland
Sep 2001
time: 05:32
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quote:
Being commercial gives you extra income to spend on research, and it means you start with alphabet, allowing a philosophy beeline for a free tech. |
This is a good early-game equaliser for Commercial, but Seafarers also start with Alphabet. I'm not sure if Commercial just seems worse because of the addition of Seafaring. Alphabet has always been highly prized by the AI, but with those Seafarers starting with Alphabet (and being more likely to meet others quickly), Commercial has lost a big edge IMO.
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Artifex
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Kentucky USA
Apr 2002
time: 05:32
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OK I have gotten to play around with a few games of C3C and now I have to revise my rankings. Scientific has been greatly improved because of the SGLs and they tend to appear regularly. The game is actually very well balanced as the top 4 traits are very useful.
1=Seafaring (Alphabet, early contacts, can cross ocean successfully even in curoghs most the time. I usually have all the civs contacted and w/embassies by the mid-ancient age if I'm lucky).
1=Religious (Anarchy now 2 turns instead of 1 turn but still better than 7-9 turns). Cheap temples and cathedrals are a big plus on the high diff levels.
1=Agricultural (Growth=Power and I love cheap aqueducts).
1=Scientific. My one game playing with it I had half a dozen SGLs by the mid-middle ages.
2. Militaristic (I tend to get plenty of MGLs without it, cheap barracks are nice but Sun Tzu's can be had with an SGL). That said, It's a decent trait and many Elite Units never hurts.
3. Industrius (workers nerfed, it drops. I tend to get by without Industrious well and usually struggle to find jobs for my NON industrious workers by the mid-middle ages).
4. Commercial (It's not powerful until the very late game by that time the game has been won or lost). It starts with Alphabet but so does Seafaring which is a better choice.
5. Expansionist (Map dependent, # of opponent dependent, I never liked it on the standard continent maps with max civs I always play on). The fact it is not useful on many types of maps and settings makes it a bad trait IMO.
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Doc Tsiolkovski
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They did an awful job in rebalancing the traits with c3c; IMHO, there is no weak trait anymore, and the 'best' trait depends solely on map or difficulty level choosen.
AGR is nearly mandatory now for levels above Emperor, helping immensely in the initial expansion.
SEA is my personnel favorite, simply because I love starting at the coast - and of course, the trading is nice.
That said, for Deity I do prefer Dutch.
But though there is no overpowered trait anymore, there are some combinations that are very strong:
AGR+REL
SEA+COM (+2gpt in each city!)
SEA+SCI
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ducki
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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tsiolkovski
They did an awful job in rebalancing the traits with c3c; IMHO, there is no weak trait anymore, and the 'best' trait depends solely on map or difficulty level choosen.
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That sounds more like it should say "awesome" instead of "awful".
-No "worst" trait(s)
-No "best" trait(s)
That sounds pretty balanced to me.
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Doc Tsiolkovski
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quote:
He meant awesome..t'was a simple typo. |
:thankyou:
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