25-12-2003 08:33									#1
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The Phantom Menace.

Even after a few decades have passed, revealing SW to be not-as-good-as-remembered, nothing prepared me for the craptitude that was the Phantom Penis. My god, that movie sucked! From the stilted acting (except for the robots) to the boring and quasi-offensive characters (yousa knowsa whosa) to the sheer unbelievable-ness of a 10 year old kid... hell, I can't remember what he did at the end of the movie to save the day, but I do remember rolling my eyes for 8 straight minutes, this was one SERIOUSLY suck-ass movie.

And it could've been so much better - even a rise to mediocrity could've doubled its box-office.

So, what sucks (or sucked) that frankly should've been better?

	25-12-2003 09:11									#2
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how is jarjar offensive? :???:

	25-12-2003 09:23									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX how is jarjar offensive? :???:

He was a waste of computer resources, a waste of space on the screen, and a waste of my ability to hear, see, and comprehend.

I would go beyond the Phantom Menace to include all prequels, since Ep. III will undoubtedly also suck.

Sum of All Fears (movie) should not have sucked so much. Tom Clancy had written a great book that could have easily been made into a movie; those idiots in Hollywood butchered the book for the sake of PC, and for the sake of attracting teenie-boppers.

	25-12-2003 09:26									#4
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All the Batman movies after the first Keaton one, in 1989 - they should not have sucked so much. I can't comprehend what goes on inside the heads of these directors/producers.

	25-12-2003 09:36									#5
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In the history of the world and in times to come there is only one thing that sucked and should have been better. Nothing else in the universe could possibly take it's place. Millions waited patiently for so so long only to be totally alienated and have their wallets raped.

That one thing that the creator of should be destroyed for screwing up is "The Phantom Menace".

Pointe final. How could anything else possibly suck so bad when it should have been great?


Oh and Lucas sux badly.

	25-12-2003 09:41									#6
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Being a gaming forum...

Vanilla Civ3; patches/expansions made up for most of it.

Call to Power series; tried not to suck, modding community picking up the slack...

Vanilla Moo3; patches try to make up the difference...

Vanilla Simcity 4; patches/expansions making up for most of it.

The entire Battlecruiser 3000AD series. And yet they keep trying...

quote: Insanity, noun: Repeating the same action, over and over without variation, expecting a different outcome each time. Also see: Battlecruiser 3000AD, Interplay, 3000AD Inc.

Outpost; patches did diddly-squat, and they made an equally bad sequel. God this game had potential...

Star Trek: Birth of the Federation; patches only helped mildly.

Star Trek: Starship Creator; total waste of money. Again, had so much potential squandered

Every follow-up game to X-Com;

EDIT: ...without...

	25-12-2003 09:46									#7
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Being a gaming forum... Vanilla Civ3; patches/expansions made up for most of it.

Dude I used to think that Meier sucked but really, Lucas sux even more and on a more grandiose scale.

At least Meier made it up to us with C3C.

	25-12-2003 09:51									#8
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I still play Classic Civilization and Colonization from time to time.

At no point did I ever feel Meier sucked. You're a dirty heathen, CM. Get thee from my sight...

	25-12-2003 09:55									#9
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Outpost; patches did diddly-squat, and they made an equally bad sequel. God this game had potential... EDIT: ...without...

Sure did, I liked that game, but it became monotonous.

C&C: Tiberian Sun: Elaborate cut scenes, a semi-famous cast, a whole new game engine, voxels, and an evil super villian bent on taking over the world. Hell, Cain even had a part in Red Alert. Somehow they just tried to do to much and ended up ruining that particular storyline.

Civ3: Yeah, that's right, all you Civ3 lovers. It took a lifetime for a turn to be over plus the controls were slow. For a game of micromanagement this is a no-no.

	25-12-2003 09:56									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs I still play Classic Civilization and Colonization from time to time. At no point did I ever feel Meier sucked. You're a dirty heathen, CM. Get thee from my sight...

Understood friend but allow me to defend my words.

After purchasing vanilla civ3 LE I felt violated. Out of the box it was broken, I was missing my designers notes, and the cd came in a paper envelope. That experience woke me up to the realities of corporate greed at the expense of the working joe.


And now I shall take a shower so at least I'll just be a heathen.

	25-12-2003 10:14									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Cookie Monster Understood friend but allow me to defend my words. After purchasing vanilla civ3 LE I felt violated. Out of the box it was broken, I was missing my designers notes, and the cd came in a paper envelope. That experience woke me up to the realities of corporate greed at the expense of the working joe. And now I shall take a shower so at least I'll just be a heathen.

That's a sad but true statement about almost all corporations: they're filled almost entirely with people out for money. Almost gone are the days when programers actually enjoyed making their games for the sake of making them. Yes, they've always strived to make it profitable, but at least they tried to enjoy their work while they're doing it. Now, many companies just try to peddle crapware marketed as "New and Improved, Better ThAn The Other Guys' And Not Like Your Old Crap At All...Really, Honest..." Not just software, but any industry. All work and no joy. Very few are given the opportunity to get creative without greedy higher-ups vetoing their every move solely based as a function of time and money: Immediately and Obscene (Unrealistic) Returns.

Oh, and use mashed bananas. They cleanse you of your sins...

	25-12-2003 10:14									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Call to Power series; tried not to suck, modding community picking up the slack...

I heard Test of Time is even worse.

quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Vanilla Moo3; patches try to make up the difference...

I called it.

quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Every follow-up game to X-Com;

Have you tried Aftermath?

Other games that suck but shouldn't have: Age of Wonders II, Railroad Tycoon II, Tropico, Starfleet Command, etc.

There are a lot of crappy games out there

	25-12-2003 10:17									#13
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And no, my post above was not a thread-jack. In many cases of Sucked-But-Shouldn't've, Money-vs-Quality was/is/will be the issue. The people peddling the product want to make the money while the grunts making the product want to do quality work (enjoying their work and being proud of it). Guess who wins...

	25-12-2003 10:23									#14
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UR, I noticed it today at the mall; never heard of it before. Is it really of the same bloodline as X-Com or just of the genre only?

Tropico, yes thanks for reminding me... :Puke:

Railroad Tycoon II? Hmm...maybe I hadn't played it enough to notice. Usually, I like sticking to sandbox mode (built-in or modded in) in most of my gameplay. Architects/Planners don't like constraints afterall...

	25-12-2003 10:35									#15
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I kinda liked the prequals. The dialog and acting were no worse than the original three.. nostaglia has clouded our minds. I think AotC is the second best film of the series so far (definetly if you cut the love scenes out... but I guess you have to build that), and TPM is no worse than RotJ (which was only saved by the kick ass battle at the end).

My pick: Austin Powers 2 + 3. They had MORE than enough material from Bond movies so that 2 + 3 didn't seem tired, boring, and stale, yet they did.

	25-12-2003 10:38									#16
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CIVILIZATION III
yes I said it... and even with the mods afterwards, the game still sucks. Civ2: Test of Time is where the Civ series peaked. I only hope there is a Civ 4 that could possibly save the Civ series.

	25-12-2003 10:38									#17
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Imran, edit your post: Prequals to what? (Star Wars, I know, but still it would help eliminate the crosspost effect.)

	25-12-2003 10:40									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Have you tried Aftermath?

I enjoyed Aftermath but it was a little odd. The weapons inventory had way too many weapons from East European countries. Its not like I'd find alot of that scattered around the U.S. I guess the designers were letting a little of their own biases show through.

The aliens (and others) had good resistance against their own weapons but very little against good old fashioned bullets. I kicked butt through an entire game with little else besides sniper rifles.

	25-12-2003 10:44									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sava CIVILIZATION III yes I said it... and even with the mods afterwards, the game still sucks. Civ2: Test of Time is where the Civ series peaked. I only hope there is a Civ 4 that could possibly save the Civ series.

You're entitled to your wrong opinions...

I think I play it about 3 hours a day.

I'd have to say big disappointments have included the second Matrix (haven't seen the third), the ending of Fallout 3 (yes, Black Isle was hard at work when Interplay shut the company down), and Y2K not coming to fruition.

	25-12-2003 10:47									#20
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The 2nd Matrix? but yet you think Civ 3 is good? wtf are you smoking mr yule log!?

	25-12-2003 10:49									#21
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I liked the 2nd Matrix, don't get me wrong...but I was disappointed because of the hype

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I agree seeing the second Matrix didn't have the profound effect seeing the first did, but what do you expect? what other SUPER SECRET or plot twist could they have? I liked the second matrix just as much as the first because I wasn't expecting to be WOWED the same way the first did. The whole ZION scene was ****, but the highway chase scene made up for it. The highway chase scene, next to the Bespin lightsaber fight in Empire strikes back; is one of my top favorite scenes of all time in a movie.

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There were just little things that didn't sit well with me. Persephone was one of them. As much as I love watching Monica Bellucci, there was little point to her character. There were too many multi-Agent Smith scenes. Stuff like that.

On the other side, what else could Civ 3 have been (I know a few things personally, I just want to know what you have)

	25-12-2003 11:04									#24
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quote: On the other side, what else could Civ 3 have been (I know a few things personally, I just want to know what you have)

1. scalable map size... (super-zoomed-in and super zoomed-out don't blow my skirt up...) or windowed... like Civ2.

2. better combat... I think they regressed the combat model. They should have built upon the concepts in Civ2... firepower, hit points, etc...

3. the same sea movement bullshit... 100 years for a modern battleship to circumnavigate the "globe" if you can even call it a globe

4. the cylinder map... sooo STUPID...

5. can't upgrade units in the army (minor detail... but effectively makes armies useless)

6. trade is pointless

7. functions too much like Civ 2... 10 damn years or so and we still are dealing with plains, grassland, ocean... how about creating a climate model and having REALISTIC TERRAIN?!?!? How about when you cut down all the trees on the entire planet... THE CLIMATE CHANGES...

8. too many bugs... too many damn "expansions" which really just should have been the original damn game.

by the time conquests came out, I was sick and tired of Civ3. I played each successive Xpack for a little bit, found more bugs or things that sucked and gave up, hoping each Xpack later would FINALLY give me what Civ 3 should have been in the first place.

DMAN IT ! I WASTED ALL THAT MONEY!
RAWRA

now I feel better.

	25-12-2003 11:08									#25
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Civ3:Conquests for $9.99+S&H? I'm getting it anyway.

	25-12-2003 11:10									#26
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my dumb ass paid 25 bucks for it... (and 25 bucks for ****ing GAY THE WORLD)

no offense intended for homosexuals, it was just the only monacher I could think of for play the world

	25-12-2003 11:13									#27
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I agree with a few of your points. However, don't you think that too much emphasis on microdetails (trees leading to climate changes, complex combat model) would make the game tedious?

I do agree with some of them, though...but the difference between our experiences is I was able to look past them

	25-12-2003 11:21									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Sava my dumb ass paid 25 bucks for it... (and 25 bucks for ****ing GAY THE WORLD) no offense intended for homosexuals, it was just the only monacher I could think of for play the world

If it makes you feel better (misery loves company), I bought PtW as a stand alone and installed it, only to be informed later THAT DAY that C3C had already been released and included PtW.

	25-12-2003 11:25									#29
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs UR, I noticed it today at the mall; never heard of it before. Is it really of the same bloodline as X-Com or just of the genre only?

It's not written by the same people, though I heard it's a decent game in the same sort of settings. I haven't tried it yet, though.

	25-12-2003 11:27									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs If it makes you feel better (misery loves company), I bought PtW as a stand alone and installed it, only to be informed later THAT DAY that C3C had already been released and included PtW.

thank you that made me feel a whole lot better