26-12-2003 10:50									#1
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just kidding... though these are singles and i think you can download and keep them for a period of 24 hours. or you could listen on such great sites as msn.com?

anyway, it's been nearly a year since you said you'd check out some neo-soul rnb and everytime i check, you still haven't. here's a little list of songs to check out. they shouldn't be hard to find as most are/were singles.

A Long Walk by Jill Scott
He Loves Me by Jill Scott
Religious by Musiq Soulchild
Half-Crazy by Musiq Soulchild
Untitled by D'Angelo and Raphael Saadiq
Me and those dreamin' eyes of mine by D'Angelo
Lifetime by Maxwell
Arroz con Pollo by Maxwell
Soul Sista by Bilal
Fabulous by Jaheim

Last edited by Albert Speer on 26-12-2003 at 11:00

	26-12-2003 10:57									#2
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Illegal downloading is not condoned by Apolyton, and threads like this are lept upon by the mods like a huge, massive flock of vultures, rapidly circling down to completely eliminate any trace of its existence.

	26-12-2003 11:27									#3
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postia ante incarceratum.

	26-12-2003 12:08									#4
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Stealing is wrong, m'kay?

	26-12-2003 23:12									#5
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Illegal downloading is not condoned by Apolyton, and threads like this are lept upon by the mods like a huge, massive flock of vultures, rapidly circling down to completely eliminate any trace of its existence.

And as we all know, the mods are never wrong.

	26-12-2003 23:16									#6
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Dammit, don't close my thread!

AS, I appreciate your concern, but I don't even have time to listen to music that I know I like. Such is my world...

	26-12-2003 23:19									#7
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And actually, read his first post. He started off with "just kidding", as in about the kazaa thing I assume. And then he suggested 24 hour trial files, and msn.com streaming audio.

Nothing wrong here as far as I can see. But I'm sure MtG will shut it down immediately, regardless, just because, well, he's a redneck and Speer isn't.

Edit: (for all you numbnuts out there)

	26-12-2003 23:20									#8
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn And actually, read his first post. He started off with "just kidding", as in about the kazaa thing I assume. And then he suggested 24 hour trial files, and msn.com streaming audio. Nothing wrong here as far as I can see. But I'm sure MtG will shut it down immediately, regardless, just because, well, he's a redneck and Speer isn't.

it was editted a full half hour after mitchells response.

	26-12-2003 23:22									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX it was editted a full half hour after mitchells response.

Ah, I see.

Alls well that ends well I suppose.

	26-12-2003 23:53									#10
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Illegal downloading is not condoned by Apolyton, and threads like this are lept upon by the mods like a huge, massive flock of vultures, rapidly circling down to completely eliminate any trace of its existence.

Except that downloading music is not illegal. At least not in Canada, and perhaps not in the US.

Uploading however, is illegal. And I'm pretty sure that downloading software is illegal.

	27-12-2003 02:34									#11
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quote: And as we all know, the mods are never wrong.

Hey, I didn't say anything other than it was illegal and the mods would likely close it.

quote: Except that downloading music is not illegal. At least not in Canada, and perhaps not in the US.

Well, okay then, all JohnT has to do is move to Canada, get citizenship there, and then download the music.

	27-12-2003 02:56									#12
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Whoo, Albie is on the Neo-Soul bandwagon. As should be expected of a philly native, really.

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Buck:

i like the music but i hate the people who are all into it. nothing is more bothersome than a neo-soul black 'intellectual'. unfortunately, the open mic club scene is teaming with them.

	27-12-2003 04:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Well, okay then, all JohnT has to do is move to Canada, get citizenship there, and then download the music.

It's apparently not illegal in the US either. Ming and the other mods won't say this though, as it is a touchy subject.

Having said that, it would be nice to have some clarification as to whether people could talk about this legal activity or if the owners have personal, rather than legal, reasons for not wanting it discussed.

	27-12-2003 04:59									#15
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quote: It's apparently not illegal in the US either.

Only if you pay for each song. Downloading from Kazaa or something is illegal.

	27-12-2003 05:00									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: It's apparently not illegal in the US either. Only if you pay for each song. Downloading from Kazaa or something is illegal.

Since when?

	27-12-2003 05:01									#17
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quote: Since when?

Since always! Why do you think Napster got shut down?

	27-12-2003 05:05									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Since always!

How interesting that one can wake up one day and find reality to have changed. Surely this must be proof of alternate dimensions, parallel timelines, and many other things. What unpredictable lives we all lead.

	27-12-2003 05:05									#19
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Like I said before... why do you think Napster got shut down? In addition why do you think some college networks got raided? Downloading music you didn't pay for is illegal in the US.

	27-12-2003 05:13									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Like I said before... why do you think Napster got shut down? In addition why do you think some college networks got raided? Downloading music you didn't pay for is illegal in the US.

You don't say? How curious. Like I said, you wake up one day, and reality has just subtly shifted on you. Do buildings called "libraries" still exist in this alternate timeline I have somehow managed to stumble upon? What an infinitely fascinating world this is.

	27-12-2003 05:15									#21
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Um... what the Hell is wrong with you?

	27-12-2003 05:16									#22
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monkspider is being a jerk

	27-12-2003 05:21									#23
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I think ol' monkspider is possibly ignorant of the fact that libraries have already gone through the court process in re: to copyright violations and now (I believe it was a USSC decision, though I could be pulling that out of my ass) have a number of legal arguments supporting their work, including:

1. People support libraries with taxes or donations, therefore the community purchases the books and therefore the community owns them. Since it is more likely that a person using the library is a taxpayer of that community, no harm, no foul.

2. People borrow books from the library and return them. Napster users tend to forget that last little bit. Also, don't expect to walk into a library and indiscriminately copy every page from your favorite sci-fi novel - that is illegal, and libraries won't allow such things.

	27-12-2003 05:28									#24
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It's a good thing old man "T" is here to share his infinite wisdom on this subject. In order to resolve the question of copyright law in this strange new parallel dimension in an amicable manner, I will simply return all of my mp3 files to my local library. Thank you for your time good sirs.

	27-12-2003 05:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Like I said before... why do you think Napster got shut down? In addition why do you think some college networks got raided? Downloading music you didn't pay for is illegal in the US.

Napster got shut down for assisting in sharing files. The RIAA so far has not sued anyone for downloading, but only for sharing.

If you download and don't share, it isn't clear you are doing anything illegal. You definitely aren't in Canada.

	27-12-2003 05:39									#26
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider It's a good thing old man "T" is here to share his infinite wisdom on this subject. In order to resolve the question of copyright law in this strange new parallel dimension in an amicable manner, I will simply return all of my mp3 files to my local library. Thank you for your time good sirs.

I want some of what he's smoking!

	27-12-2003 05:40									#27
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quote: Napster got shut down for assisting in sharing files. The RIAA so far has not sued anyone for downloading, but only for sharing. If you download and don't share, it isn't clear you are doing anything illegal. You definitely aren't in Canada.

Well that's what I said. In the US its different. The government have people up on charges for illegal downloading of files. It ain't sharing which is only illegal, but also downloading (you know, possessing stolen property that you know to be stolen).

	27-12-2003 05:43									#28
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I want some of what he's smoking!

I'm smoking blue thumbs.

I don't know if you can handle it, Old Man "T".

	27-12-2003 05:44									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Napster got shut down for assisting in sharing files. The RIAA so far has not sued anyone for downloading, but only for sharing. If you download and don't share, it isn't clear you are doing anything illegal. You definitely aren't in Canada. Well that's what I said. In the US its different. The government have people up on charges for illegal downloading of files. It ain't sharing which is only illegal, but also downloading (you know, possessing stolen property that you know to be stolen).

That I didn't know. Just another reason to move north.

	27-12-2003 05:49									#30
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quote: 2. People borrow books from the library and return them. Napster users tend to forget that last little bit. Also, don't expect to walk into a library and indiscriminately copy every page from your favorite sci-fi novel - that is illegal, and libraries won't allow such things.

I'm going to have to burn my collection of books? DAMN! Man, I thought I had my reading expenses covered. All those hours of copying those classics, down the drain....