26-12-2003 19:26									#1
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We have gunpowder (see Saltpeter thread) and can get astro in 5 turns.

GoW have 10 riders at NM-8, 6 at Barc-4, and 1 at NM-12

An ND MI is at NM-7777

I don't know if hints from GoW are reason to to throw anything into reverse. We have a turn to play and are unlikely to reach any deal within a few hours, so I propose we continue with existing policy for this turn.

NM and Barc can both have another worker rushed this turn. GoW want us to hold them, so assuming ND won't rush through the GoW lines this turn they stand for now.

	27-12-2003 04:48									#2
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CH, hey... I've been partying my brains out (and recovering). Just realized that I had posted in the public forum at some ungodly hour last night.

I've just checked my PM boxes both here and at MZO... nothing from GoW.

Thusly, I concur, let's stick with the current withdrawal and homeland defense plans.

And SH*T MOTHERF*CKER ^%@$#%@_)*_%#@ about the saltpeter. We WILL avenge ourselves on those Blockhead mofos no matter what!

	27-12-2003 16:33									#3
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I'm playing the turn now.

	27-12-2003 17:40									#4
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We need happiness to replace the impending loss of silks and, and we also need to get some culture builds in to stop Lego culture getting too far ahead.


Builds:

Hurricane builds Uni - starts temple

Wittlich & Beta build worker.

Cyclone builds worker - starts worker.

Diss builts cat, starts cat

Switched Arashi, Diss, WoC, Santa Ana to temple

Rushed workers in NM, Barc


North:

Galley on GoW coast to Wittlich-77

3 galleys around Estonia move clockwise

2 galleys near E. coast of Bob move south

Used 2 new cats to shuffle existing units, allowing 2 WC's to head south

Moved worker and spearman off Voice-8 to allow RP worker in.


Midlands:

wrkr on Inchon-23 moves 2 and mines

cat at Diss to Diss-88

2 warrs by monsoon to Diss-7

3 wkrs nr Santa Ana move towards WoC-11 which they'll mine next turn.


South:

Until some luxury trades are sorted, we don't want to be adding workers for a few turns, so southern workers will be used for sea-wall. Knights returning later can replace them if needed.

wrkrs from Cyclone and Tornado move to s.coastal positions.

cats, pikes & settler nr bolderberg move south along coast - they should nearly complete the section between BB and Tornado

4 pikes from OG-8 move south - they will complete the section between OG and BB

2 settlers by Monsoon move north. Next turn they, the two warrs, and the cat will complete the section between Inchon and Diss.

4 MI at OG-8 move north - they will complete the section between Diss and Monsson

worker at OG-1 moves east

5 workers btw tempest/sandstorm move to east coast, allowing 2 knights to move south.


Bob:

Continue evacuation.

Diplo :

Sent Wittlich and Beta to RP accepted.

Astro in 5 turns, +~26gpt

	28-12-2003 20:13									#10
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still looking good, guys. Well... as much as the situation allows, of course.

I've got a few questions:
- Would it be worth it to start a wonder prebuild? As we're switching to full time builder mode for the moment (and will likely stay like that until we reach the industrial ages at least), we might want to get some wonders in.

- Can the galleys close to Beta move onto Sea tiles instead of the coastal tiles as they are now? With Astro, foreign galleys can sail around them, but if we can force them close to the coast, we can catapult them if they get close. More cats there should be needed to be any effective, but I take it you're getting to that.

- What is the plan with North Stormia: are we going to give that to RP? If so, the faster the better. But we need guarantees that they are going to use it for something useful. One concern would be Wittlich: with enough culture, this might turn over Port Isolation.

- Any contacts with ND yet about peace, or with GoW about trading cities?

DeepO

	28-12-2003 22:22									#11
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Wonders:

With Hurricane's Uni done, we're looking at Copernicus / Newton in there (has Colossus). Lego have built Bach's and have done unique access deals with everyone over Sistine - though I don't think many of us have much love for the blockheads atm. For Smiths, RP are 10/40 on banking - so that via prebuild is possible. We can use Sistine as prebuild.

Galleys :

I see what you mean, but we have very few cats so far. THose we have could well be positioned as you say. We've asked RP to consider building cats.

North Stormia :

The plan was for them to research at max, but they're already on 40-turn research. Arrian & OPD said they have contacts with RP-ers - hopefully they can get active on that front.

ND are blanking us out - GoW are being friendly. Details in the logs.

	29-12-2003 13:54									#12
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update - RP will apparantly have Banking in 21 turns, arew building catapul;ts and are offering us GPT .... see TOgas' message here .

	29-12-2003 14:55									#13
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CH, better use the palace as a prebuild for a wonder, instead of Sistine, at least for as long as we can... I agree that both Copernicus or Smiths would be nice to have, for the moment there is little else we can do but building.

I know the galley-alley isn't really effective with only 2 cats closeby, but maybe better to do this now then to risk missing passing galleys later. Also, once the galleys near former RP are done retreating, we could try to block incoming galleys from that side. It would give us at least 2 turns of warning before any invasion can even approach our borders, which will hopefully be enough time to get our invasion block adjusted.

RP is doing well it seems. Don't ask too much gpt, leave them a sense of being in the game. Motivation in that team should have dropped below zero, most likely...

DeepO