27-12-2003 00:41									#31
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Some people see this as tragedy, some people just don't simply care, and some people feel a little good about this... which is sick.

Anyway, this is an opportunity. Yeah, they aren't all radicals or what ever, this is the perfect opportunity to help and win those minds and hearts. Just perfect!

I don't think what my coming opinion in the possible conflict in Iran will be, but no matter what it is, we should all help. If we think 'well they hate us every other day', then it's people against people, not nations policies in conflict. And that's not good. That's like anti-semitism or something.

	27-12-2003 00:48									#32
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Besides, regardless of what the situation is between nations, this is still human tragedy. So even if we would be enemies, we should still help. If we was in war, we should hit the pause button for a second and help. We're talking about civilians. I'm sure there are freedom loving folks there. AND the ones that don't like the west and hates the US especially, well they've been taught to do that. We know it, so should we feel good about them dying, or not help, or should we forgive it and help? I think almost everyone deserves to be forgiven, almost, and I believe these people are in that list.

	27-12-2003 00:53									#33
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just reminding people... in Iran... it's the government who hates us... not the people... in fact, most of the younger generation wants Democracy and hates the Ayatollahs.

	27-12-2003 01:10									#34
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Obviously the thing to do is to help...regardless of politics. It just so happens that with the younger generation being more open to democratic ideas, that this is a good opportunity to work on those hearts and minds. Iran, because of this very situation, should be a long term project...if only we can eliminate the support for terrorism and WMD programs. Otherwise...

	27-12-2003 01:12									#35
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Obviously the thing to do is to help...regardless of politics. It just so happens that with the younger generation being more open to democratic ideas, that this is a good opportunity to work on those hearts and minds. Iran, because of this very situation, should be a long term project...if only we can eliminate the support for terrorism and WMD programs. Otherwise...

bombing the **** outa their country isn't a good way to win their hearts and minds...

	27-12-2003 01:23									#36
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who feels good about it?

that's messed up...

	27-12-2003 01:27									#37
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Ted Striker, yeah... I'm sure that huge majority is not enjoying about it... so that's good.

	27-12-2003 02:09									#38
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I'm surprised that a wimpy 6.3 earthquake can kill up to 20k people.

We had a 6.7 one here a fews days ago, it killed 2 people.

	27-12-2003 02:19									#39
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you mean that we have that thing in undersiege 2 where you can cause earthquakes anywhere?

	27-12-2003 02:27									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha you mean that we have that thing in undersiege 2 where you can cause earthquakes anywhere?

You looney, I live in California, near the San Andrea fault line.

	27-12-2003 02:31									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless I'm surprised that a wimpy 6.3 earthquake can kill up to 20k people. We had a 6.7 one here a fews days ago, it killed 2 people.

Sadly in some parts of the world it is more important to have a building than a building code.

	27-12-2003 02:51									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha you mean that we have that thing in undersiege 2 where you can cause earthquakes anywhere?

Our government seems to think so.

	27-12-2003 02:59									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Sava bombing the **** outa their country isn't a good way to win their hearts and minds...

If they hate their rulers as much as you claim, bombing the **** out of their government may, though

	27-12-2003 03:05									#44
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker quote: Originally posted by Sava bombing the **** outa their country isn't a good way to win their hearts and minds... If they hate their rulers as much as you claim, bombing the **** out of their government may, though

unfortunately, as advanced as our weapons are, the people picking the targets aren't as smart as the bombs they are dropping.

	27-12-2003 03:09									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'm curious as to what you would consider "harsh" if these are mild comments.

i could give you a taste, but i'd get banned several times for a single post.

	27-12-2003 03:19									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sava unfortunately, as advanced as our weapons are, the people picking the targets aren't as smart as the bombs they are dropping.

Notice the

	27-12-2003 03:29									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX i could give you a taste, but i'd get banned several times for a single post.

my PM box is always open

skywalker: ahhh.... and BTW, your avatar is awesome

	27-12-2003 03:55									#49
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Twas listening to BBC Radio 4 today at work, usually a haven of intellectual commentary and discussion admist the part of the spectrum full of rather pointless drivel (I'm looking at you Radio 1!). They asked for listener responses to the news and I managed to hear this gem:

"Why should we help the Iranians? They never send the UK any aid when we have floods so why should we send them any aid now?"

When a supposedly educated person thinks that since Iran didn't send bundles of money they don't have when we had damp basements we shouldn't help them out when the ground swallows up entire cities, I get very sad for the future of civilisation.

So my solution? I turned on Radio 1 and listend to them talk about Britney Spears.

	27-12-2003 03:58									#50
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Sava -

quote: you should head on over to freerepublic.com to see what your fellow right wingers are saying about it...

Are they saying things like this?

quote: it was because our god is better than their god

Hmm... that is what you said.

	27-12-2003 04:25									#51
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quote: “I extend my condolences to all those touched by this tragedy,” President Bush said in a statement Friday. “The thoughts of all Americans are with the victims and their families at this time, and we stand ready to help the people of Iran.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3808904/


Good for you George

	27-12-2003 04:31									#52
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quote: “The thoughts of all Americans are with the victims and their families at this time, and we stand ready to help the people of Iran.”

LIAR! George should visit Poly and FreeRepublic.

	27-12-2003 04:46									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Sava according to Dennis Kucinich, the US was using a tectonic weapon...

You know, that idiot is actually my congressman. Those damn elderly keep electing the moron.

	27-12-2003 05:07									#54
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I am sorry for all the dead people

You know, I haven't read the entire thread yet (I will) so I don't know if this was brought up already - this is one of the rare examples where I see government regulation as a good thing and free market as something bad.

Imagine if government regulated housing so it had to withstand earthquakes? It would be more expesive to be sure but countless lives may have been saved

	27-12-2003 05:20									#55
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I've read it all. I feel silly for preaching but I can't help it: given the number of dead, the entire Iranian government has something to answer for. In my humble opinion. Big part of Iran is situated in an area prone to earthquakes, and they know this for a long time.

And especially if I was Iranian I would find this unforgivable, since I feel it could have been prevented with smart housing regulation.

	27-12-2003 05:57									#56
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion I am sorry for all the dead people You know, I haven't read the entire thread yet (I will) so I don't know if this was brought up already - this is one of the rare examples where I see government regulation as a good thing and free market as something bad. Imagine if government regulated housing so it had to withstand earthquakes? It would be more expesive to be sure but countless lives may have been saved

It does regulate housing

	27-12-2003 06:06									#57
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this has only reinforced my decision not to live in a place where the ground shakes for longer than a year.

	27-12-2003 06:12									#58
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VetLegion, they don't have insurance in Iran either. In a freemarket, insurance companies would have a hand in building codes. For example, we get a discount on our homeowners insurance because of our fire resistant roof that was not mandated by any government...

	27-12-2003 06:27									#59
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If you take a look on this map , you can see how strikingly Iran's borders coincide with "the red zone"

Safe housing should be their first priority. I can't shake off the feeling that this could have been prevented. The technology is there, the funds... are the funds there? The will should be there, right?

By the way here is some data I found about biggest earthquakes in history:

20. century - more than 240 000 lives (Tangshan, China, July 28, 1976, 242,419 killed - official figure)

All history - more than 800 000 lives (Shansi, China, Jan. 23, 1556, 830,000).


But just so you don't think this one is nothing in comparison: the number of dead in full scale war in Croatia that lasted in the first half of the 1990's was just over 20 000.

	27-12-2003 06:32									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker VetLegion, they don't have insurance in Iran either. In a freemarket, insurance companies would have a hand in building codes. For example, we get a discount on our homeowners insurance because of our fire resistant roof that was not mandated by any government...

Come on man, these people are too poor for insurance. I assume that most of their housing is self-made and not made by companies or govt. So the government is the only force that can do something. It should pour the money from oil into that, instead of reactors and ****.