28-12-2003 00:23									#91
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Oh, well, I didn't know that

	28-12-2003 00:39									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha Considering that we are sitting on the San Andreas fault, the New Madrid fault, and a Super Caldera, each one waiting to cause a catastrophe that will kill millions, the US shouldn't feel too safe.

New Midrid doesn't go off very often; once every 200-300 years. The San Andreas creaps for most of it's distance with restraining bends causing 90%+ of the big Earthquakes while the Long Valley Caldera can safely be assumed to be inactive if not extinct.

The main source for the Long Valley caldera's magma was techtonic subduction off off California but these has mostly died off in the last 24 million years. When the spreading center went under the trench the right lateral transform fault system, which characterizes the San Andreas, was set up. There's still some residual magma chambers down there but there isn't any massive new inflows of magma so don't bet the farm on there being any new eruptions.

	28-12-2003 00:44									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin New Midrid doesn't go off very often; once every 200-300 years.

And the last time it went was 1811. What year is it again?

Supposedly it shook buildings in Chicago, and rangs bells as far away as Boston.

Long waits make for a much more powerful quake. St. Louis and the surrounding vicinity, since they don't have earthquake construction codes, will be flattened. Probably millions will die.

Sweet dreams.

	28-12-2003 01:24									#94
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BTW I live in California so quakes are no big thing. I've been through several and as long as your house/workplace wasn't built by a total idiot then you're pretty much safe. The only problem would be all of those brick buildings in the midwest but by and large people are pretty safe. The reason is because New Mardid is an internal plate fault system instead of being on the edge of a plate like California or a micro place like Italy. That means there is no obvious source providing the tension with in the rocks.

The fact is people in Italy, Greece, Turkey, or even southern Spain are far more likely to get a quake.

	28-12-2003 02:29									#95
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hmmm, earthquakes,...geologically we're supposed to get a shitload of them, but *knocks on wood* we don't. We have small ones once in a while, though.

	28-12-2003 03:07									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor This is a horrible tragedy I'm damn glad to see that every rich country offrered help so quickly. I hope the amount of victims will end up being smaller than planned.

Anyone planned this? That would sicken me even more...

This feels like the Turkey earthquake in 2000, or was it late 1999? They had heard that the World would end with the new millienum, and suddenly found out it did. And never knew what happened to them until they were trapped under fallen ruins of crappy houses

Edit: The Santa hat on the emoticon is really sick!

	28-12-2003 03:16									#97
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Here's what you can do with santa hats

(Note: This is not gloating - it's just showing what Santa hats in the wrong places can do.)

We'll be finished by Christmas, back home by the fire...

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	28-12-2003 20:47									#98
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People forget this is a thousands of year old city-some of the buildings must be centuries old, others built with local material available to the local economy. Actually, most were mud brick- which is why the city gt flattened. The other things is at at time it struck-very early morning-the worst possible time since the maximum number of people are indoors.

It's sad that Iran refuses Israeli help-they will get enough from elsewhere but still wrong to politic at such times.

O, and Iran sent its condolences to the US after 9/11 and people mpourned in the streets- showing the utter ignorance of the people eho made the "they danced in the streets after 9/11" comments. It's not the bad taste that bother me, more the general utter ignorance of most posters-ignorant and still opinionated..what a terrible combination.

	28-12-2003 22:31									#99
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quote: Originally posted by GePap O, and Iran sent its condolences to the US after 9/11 and people mpourned in the streets- showing the utter ignorance of the people eho made the "they danced in the streets after 9/11" comments. It's not the bad taste that bother me, more the general utter ignorance of most posters-ignorant and still opinionated..what a terrible combination.

IIRC, that whole "dancing in the street" story turned out not to be true, and the video shown on some American TV "news shows" turned out stock footage from an earlier celebration. The one image I remember from the Mideast following 9/11 is one of Palestinian women lining up to donate blood for the 9/11 victims.

	28-12-2003 22:37									#100
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Last I heard is that the amount of victims is much much more.. someone talked about 70 000, but it included injured ones too... someone said the city had 100 000 people in it, and 65%-70%.. who knows.

	28-12-2003 22:58									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler IIRC, that whole "dancing in the street" story turned out not to be true, and the video shown on some American TV "news shows" turned out stock footage from an earlier celebration. The one image I remember from the Mideast following 9/11 is one of Palestinian women lining up to donate blood for the 9/11 victims.

The only dancing in the streets that might have happened anywere was in Palestinian areas..and you cast doubt on it.. what I am saying is that in Iran there were mass pro-US vigils in the days following 9/11, probably the most friendly response to 9/11 in the ME outisde of Israel and Turkey. So the nitwits that even think of saying there was dancin in the streets in Iran after 9/11 are truly ignorant troglodytes. Unfortunitelly there is no way to root out the halfwits from the voter rolls that would not be abused, so they remain to dull our body politic.

	29-12-2003 00:14									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler IIRC, that whole "dancing in the street" story turned out not to be true, and the video shown on some American TV "news shows" turned out stock footage from an earlier celebration. The one image I remember from the Mideast following 9/11 is one of Palestinian women lining up to donate blood for the 9/11 victims.

How in the hell does this BS keep croping up? I thought you people were better informed than that: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm

	29-12-2003 02:47									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel hmmm, earthquakes,...geologically we're supposed to get a shitload of them, but *knocks on wood* we don't. We have small ones once in a while, though.

Israel is in an active continental rift zone. Ussually these rifts start shaped like a star with three arms but then on of the arms ceases to be active while the other two become the main centers of rifting. The sea on the west side of the Sini is the failed rift will the successful active rifts go down the red sea and up the Jordan valley.

Other famous failed rifts are the Hudson valley in New York (occured when Europe and North America rifted) and a valley I'm forgetting the name of in Africa (near the nigerian/Cameroon border which occured when Africa & South America rifted).

	29-12-2003 04:31									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Sava unfortunately, as advanced as our weapons are, the people picking the targets aren't as smart as the bombs they are dropping.

	29-12-2003 06:05									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Theben And the last time it went was 1811. What year is it again? Supposedly it shook buildings in Chicago, and rangs bells as far away as Boston. Long waits make for a much more powerful quake. St. Louis and the surrounding vicinity, since they don't have earthquake construction codes, will be flattened. Probably millions will die. Sweet dreams.

About 10 years ago a psychic predicted a New Madrid quake. It received a lot of press as a general interest story. The one thing it brought to light was that Memphis sits on top of one of the largest artesian wells in the world. It is feared that a major quake could cause the entire city to be lost. Casualties there could easily approach 1 million or more.

The lateset figures out of Iran say that 22,000 bodies have been recovered and that at least another 18,000 are feared dead. Aid, thankfully, is beginning to move that way in a large way. It seems that the world can sometimes put aside its differences in the face of vast human tragedy. Perhaps there is hope for us afterall.

	29-12-2003 07:05									#106
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quote: Originally posted by GePap The only dancing in the streets that might have happened anywere was in Palestinian areas..and you cast doubt on it.. what I am saying is that in Iran there were mass pro-US vigils in the days following 9/11, probably the most friendly response to 9/11 in the ME outisde of Israel and Turkey. So the nitwits that even think of saying there was dancin in the streets in Iran after 9/11 are truly ignorant troglodytes. Unfortunitelly there is no way to root out the halfwits from the voter rolls that would not be abused, so they remain to dull our body politic.

Gepap, I have the video of the Palestinians dancing and passing out candy if you want to see it.

	29-12-2003 07:47									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Sava according to Dennis Kucinich, the US was using a tectonic weapon...

Yea, we tested it on Kucinich himself when he was a kid, for hours and hours.

	29-12-2003 07:52									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker LIAR! George should visit Poly and FreeRepublic.

Well their thoughts are obviously with (or perhaps about) the victims and their families, but not in the spirit that the president mentions.

	29-12-2003 07:59									#109
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Vetlegion -

quote: Come on man, these people are too poor for insurance. I assume that most of their housing is self-made and not made by companies or govt. So the government is the only force that can do something. It should pour the money from oil into that, instead of reactors and ****.

Yes, they live in a backward theocracy, NOT A FREE MARKET SYSTEM! That's the point... You used their situation to indict the free market when they don't have a free market, I was merely pointing out what would happen in a free market...

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quote: duh I was pretending I was one of them... don't tell me you are a freeper...

You were being sarcastic, I suggest you afford them the same luxury...

	29-12-2003 07:59									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler IIRC, that whole "dancing in the street" story turned out not to be true, and the video shown on some American TV "news shows" turned out stock footage from an earlier celebration. The one image I remember from the Mideast following 9/11 is one of Palestinian women lining up to donate blood for the 9/11 victims.

Those blinders are on so tight that they seem to have cut off the blood supply to your brain.

As has been already said though, it wasn't the Iranians who were acting like such ass monkeys.

	29-12-2003 08:04									#111
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quote: the Long Valley Caldera can safely be assumed to be inactive if not extinct.

They've been measuring the slope or bulge of a highway running across the caldera and it's been increasing...

	30-12-2003 19:42									#112
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Now they are saying 25k dead possibly as many as 40k. I don't doubt that a significant number of people died, but how can they possibly give this kind of number as fact. I mean, there is no mention of this 25k number as an estimate. They could not possibly have enough time to verify the deaths of that many people. I think it is possible that Iran could be inflating these numbers to gain excessive financial support from other nations, particularly U.S. who is contributing aid through other countries.

	30-12-2003 19:48									#113
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Now they are saying 25k dead possibly as many as 40k. I don't doubt that a significant number of people died, but how can they possibly give this kind of number as fact. I mean, there is no mention of this 25k number as an estimate. They could not possibly have enough time to verify the deaths of that many people. I think it is possible that Iran could be inflating these numbers to gain excessive financial support from other nations, particularly U.S. who is contributing aid through other countries.

I read just minutes ago on a german news site that they already buried ca. 28000 dead. Of course in such things is always the possibility that the media jump on the highest numbers flying around, and that the final numbers are quite different.

	30-12-2003 20:03									#114
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I also read that there were numerous instances of people being carried to mass graves on stretchers as corpses when someone noticed a slight movement under the burial shroud leading to the realization that the person was still alive. Sounds like total chaos there.

	30-12-2003 20:06									#115
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Terrible.

And amazing to me what a difference building codes/construction materials can make. The comparison between this disaster and the recent California quake is stunning.

I'm glad we're helping.

-Arrian

	30-12-2003 20:13									#116
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First of all, my prairs go with the victims of this disaster.
And let's hope the display of solidarity averts future mishap. And if i were Isreal, i would send humanitarian aid. I think this gesture would accomplish more than all the shells fired in the entire middle east conflict.

	30-12-2003 20:19									#117
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AFAIK they offered help, but Iran didn´t take it.

	30-12-2003 20:26									#118
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My impression was that the Iranian government refused any such help even before Israel offered any (we welcome aid from anyone but the Zionist regime, yadda yadda, or somesuch).

-Arrian

	30-12-2003 20:32									#119
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Ah, but I thought this was a direct reply to an actual Israeli offer? But maybe I´m wrong

	30-12-2003 20:34									#120
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I'm probably wrong, since I was just scanning stuff, not really reading the articles.

-Arrian