29-12-2003 09:37									#61
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc Regarding the stiffening resistance in Mosul mentioned in the article above, which claims that the population has come to expect so much from the American occupiers. Well, another way to look at it, is that the socalled Shock and Awe effect is beginning to wear off. Lets face it. The immediate period up to the war, and during the war itself a massive propaganda effort was launched in concert with the bombings and the ground operation. In fact I heard just now on the radio that after this initial shock the Iraqis are gathering their resolve, and seem to now be rallying around the nationalists. Both the idea that the resistance was from foreign insurgents, and the idea that it was Saddam who was in control must now be discarded as Whitehouse spin. In fact Saddam was probaby a captive of the kurds for many months, before he was handed over to the Americans.

not really

	29-12-2003 09:58									#62
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by PLATO Many of the old colonial institutions still exist as liasons for the commonwealth. Procedures that were hammered out over centuries are in place. This is far more than you can get from a book and starting from scratch.

So they're still exterminating natives and enslaving Africans too? Give me a break...

	29-12-2003 10:01									#63
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: In fact Saddam was probaby a captive of the kurds for many months, before he was handed over to the Americans.

Conspiracy theorists of the world unite.

	29-12-2003 10:11									#64
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

You have nothing to lose but your logic!

	29-12-2003 10:24									#65
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Saddam was captured by the Kurds right? It was propaganda all the other stuff.

Don't you get any news over in America?

	29-12-2003 10:25									#66
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

And the Kurds gave him 3/4 of a million dollars?

Ahhh, here's your source: http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/cha...&contentid=1029

	29-12-2003 10:30									#67
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Sounds like a believeable and logical story to me.

	29-12-2003 10:31									#68
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Saddam was captured by the Kurds right? It was propaganda all the other stuff. Don't you get any news over in America?

This little bit of stupidity might be enough to nominate Tripledoc for the honor of being the first person on my ignore list. I'll have to see if the stupidity continues though.

I knew his skills at logical deduction weren't very well developed but this takes the cake.

	29-12-2003 10:32									#69
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc Sounds like a believeable and logical story to me.

Of course it does, it fits your prejudices.

	29-12-2003 10:42									#70
	Put an end to popups!

How do you know what my prejudices are? Is it not instead yor own prejudice that people who do not accept what comes out of Washington as neccesarily the whole truth are by nature prejudiced? In fact people who believe in the present President of the United States of America are perhaps the most conspiratorial of all. Of course you won't believe this but I am far less anti-american than I used to be. You see I tend to keep an open mind and think positive.

	29-12-2003 10:42									#71
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

It's quite simple, really. If the Yanks don't care how often they are attacked, then they don't need to change anything

They can either manage it by trying to obtain the fine line between control and oppression, or go the whole hog and oppress the lot of them by doing what Saddam did, which to me defeats the whole purpose of it to start with

	29-12-2003 10:45									#72
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc How do you know what my prejudices are?

I read your posts?

quote: In fact people who believe in the present President of the United States of America are perhaps the most conspiratorial of all.

Again, I read your posts. Your prejudices are quite obvious, TripleSava.

	29-12-2003 10:46									#73
	Support Apolyton

Whaleboy, you fricking pussie. you don't even support the brit effort in Iraq. go play Civ on the computer...you little coward.

	29-12-2003 10:51									#74
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

The article from Conspiracy Planet concludes.

quote: Like the phoney story about the recovery of Jessica Lynch, the "Capture" of Saddam Hussein is another failed psyops (psychological operation) by the Pentagon.

This brings me to the issue, as to whether there are still people who believe that Jessica Lynch was actually rescued.

Maybe it is perhaps that Pentagon simply tries to hard to control the news, by for instance having officers in CNNs editing rooms and such, that the whole message resembles a commercial.

	29-12-2003 10:53									#75
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Whose DL is Tripledoc? Sava isn't usually this oppressively stupid.

	29-12-2003 10:54									#76
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by TCO Whaleboy, you fricking pussie. you don't even support the brit effort in Iraq. go play Civ on the computer...you little coward.

Were you not banned? I mean why then would the mod have removed your posts of your primitive thoughts on Balkan women?

	29-12-2003 10:54									#77
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: This brings me to the issue, as to whether there are still people who believe that Jessica Lynch was actually rescued.

She wasn't? Did they release her on her own recognizance?

	29-12-2003 10:55									#78
	Increase the size of your Attachments

The Iraqis still have her and we also never made it to Bagdad.

	29-12-2003 10:59									#79
	Full PM-box? Change here!

You made it to Baghdad, but all your forces committed suicide at the gates of the city.

	29-12-2003 11:00									#80
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by skywalker Aren't the Sunni in the south? Forgive me if I got the geography wrong. I was just trying to say that the Brits had an easier time of it.

no, the sunnis are in the center, the shiites are in the south, and the Kurds are in the north.

	29-12-2003 11:00									#81
	Increase Your PM Length

Oh that. I have trouble keeping it all straight sometimes.

	29-12-2003 11:01									#82
	Remove this text

She was taken from a hospital. there were absolutely no one but civilians there. The rescuers had been given loose ammo to shoot with so as to make it dramatic. So clear manipulation of the media. Civilian doctors were pushed around and ordered to the floor. They put her in quarantene because they feared the Iraqis had contaminated her. The bed she was lying on, which was specially made for curing bedsores, was cut into pieces and samples taken from it. they thought it contained radioactve material. It was the only bedsore bed they had. Who is paranoid here?

Then the allegations that she was raped. Were they true?

	29-12-2003 11:42									#83
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc She was taken from a hospital. there were absolutely no one but civilians there. The rescuers had been given loose ammo to shoot with so as to make it dramatic. So clear manipulation of the media. Civilian doctors were pushed around and ordered to the floor. They put her in quarantene because they feared the Iraqis had contaminated her. The bed she was lying on, which was specially made for curing bedsores, was cut into pieces and samples taken from it. they thought it contained radioactve material. It was the only bedsore bed they had. Who is paranoid here? Then the allegations that she was raped. Were they true?

Tripledoc's primary source:

	29-12-2003 12:00									#84
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

I have noticed that sources on Apolyton tend to come from two people:



Both are so extreme as to the point where they are exactly the same

	29-12-2003 12:09									#85
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I have noticed that sources on Apolyton tend to come from two people: Both are so extreme as to the point where they are exactly the same

I've got to say, Tass, you've got a point. Although the Information Minister was just off the wall.

	29-12-2003 12:25									#86
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

But then again, so is Rummy

	29-12-2003 12:34									#87
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar But then again, so is Rummy

Well, at least when Rumsfeld said US troops were approaching Baghdad... they actually were.

	29-12-2003 12:36									#88
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

True. Unfortunately when things were fine in Baghdad, they actually weren't

	29-12-2003 12:45									#89
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar True. Unfortunately when things were fine in Baghdad, they actually weren't

Don't push it Tass. I said you had a point because they each reported a completely opposite version of what the other one said, but I think that more has to do with the Information Minister being a boldfaced liar.

Ok, if your life depended on it and you had to go on the information given to you by either of these two gentlemen, who would you choose? Thats what I thought...

What it comes down to, is Rumsfeld may spin things positively (name one politician anywhere who doesn't), while the Information Minister just out and out lied.

	29-12-2003 22:39									#90
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Neither Rumsfeld nor the Iraqi information minister had anything to say regarding Jessica Lynchs rescue. Whether it was in fact Pentagon who were behind the misinformation campaign, that is feasible. I don't believe the Iraqi information minister made any comments on the case. Also irregularities transpired long after the end of the invasion (but not the war), and the Iraqi information minister was at that time a broken man, presumably because he had been tortured by CIA agents. The information on the US mishandling and abuse of the Jessica Lunch story was investigated by uncowardly American journalists.

Jimmycrackscorns. Your first attampt at being humourous is therefore totally misguided. Your second statement to Tassader, "dont push it" reveals a dangerous degree of bloated self importance, bordering on the threatening.