30-12-2003 04:31									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc Like Allende?

Like Japan and Nazi Germany, and the USSR

	30-12-2003 04:48									#122
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn So, physically abused wives and husbands will continutally say they love their spouse, and very often will return to them again and again... only to be beaten up, again and again. Its like battered wives syndrome, doesn't mean they actually like him (Saddam, et al) or even approve of what he does.

Yes, that's why people keep electing Republican Administrations.

If you don't allow the voting public to make mistakes, then what you have is no longer a recognizable democracy.

My point is that many Iraquis benefitted under Saddam and many more probably quite liked him as a ruler. I mean, Margaret Thatcher was loathed by a large proportion of Britons, but many people liked her, including many among those who did worst under her regime.

You can't tell me that any working class person in their right mind would vote for Thatcher (or Bush for that matter), but they do. As my old teacher Mr Morrison used to say, "People are Strange".

	30-12-2003 05:02									#123
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Many Germans (who were in the Nazi party) benefitted from Hitler. What's your point? That slavers have helpers?

	30-12-2003 05:15									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Yes, that's why people keep electing Republican Administrations. If you don't allow the voting public to make mistakes, then what you have is no longer a recognizable democracy. My point is that many Iraquis benefitted under Saddam and many more probably quite liked him as a ruler. I mean, Margaret Thatcher was loathed by a large proportion of Britons, but many people liked her, including many among those who did worst under her regime. You can't tell me that any working class person in their right mind would vote for Thatcher (or Bush for that matter), but they do. As my old teacher Mr Morrison used to say, "People are Strange".

You're right, but Bush didn't get 99.9% of the vote, hell he didn't even get 50%, which suggests some kind of a democratic process in which people are not afraid to express their opinions.

But when Saddam, a known, ruthless dictator, gets nearly 100% of the vote of a 30 million person electorate, you have to wonder...

	30-12-2003 05:19									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber After a century of holding populations down from Ireland to Africa, it's about time the Brits got this peacekeeping thing down right.

Amen, I hate when nations are put on a pedastol, especially ones with such tainted histories.

	30-12-2003 05:29									#126
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quote: who would you choose?

I would choose the Iraqi information minister. As you said, his lies are outright. Rummys lies use truth to try to cloak it up. In fact, the Iraqi information minister would be a better source of information.

quote: Thats what I thought...

SITUATION A: I choose rummuy.
"See? You WOULD choose rummy cause you know he's more reliable!"

SITUATION B: I choose the information minister.
"See? I KNEW you would choose him because your a godless, infidel commienazi!"

quote: just out and out lied.

quote: (name one politician anywhere who doesn't),

quote: but you know Tass hates everything and anything that comes out of the US,

I didn't used to. It's just that your nation has been poisoned to the point where almost anything you touch turns dark and wretched.
It really is not my fault however. If you want someone to blame, look at your own people.

quote: xenophobia irks me.

The irony....

quote: and the USSR

Sorry, but the people of the Soviet Union fried the USSR.
It's interesting watching Americans try to take the "credit" for the fall of the USSR...."Well, Reagan gave that speech! "

	30-12-2003 05:51									#127
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quote: Sorry, but the people of the Soviet Union fried the USSR.

Uh..

	30-12-2003 05:58									#128
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn You're right, but Bush didn't get 99.9% of the vote, hell he didn't even get 50%, which suggests some kind of a democratic process in which people are not afraid to express their opinions. But when Saddam, a known, ruthless dictator, gets nearly 100% of the vote of a 30 million person electorate, you have to wonder...

I agree, I'm only claiming that if there were free and fair elections in Iraq today and Saddam stood as a candidate, he would get a lot of votes. Hell, he might even win, if there were no obvious challenger.

Now that would be funny.

Of course, that's why he's prohibited from running.

	30-12-2003 05:58									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Uh..

Yes?

	30-12-2003 06:11									#130
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Nothing.

	30-12-2003 06:13									#131
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OK.

	30-12-2003 06:33									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I agree, I'm only claiming that if there were free and fair elections in Iraq today and Saddam stood as a candidate, he would get a lot of votes. Hell, he might even win, if there were no obvious challenger. Now that would be funny. Of course, that's why he's prohibited from running.

Who prevented Saddam or anyone else from running for what?

	30-12-2003 07:02									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I didn't used to. It's just that your nation has been poisoned to the point where almost anything you touch turns dark and wretched. It really is not my fault however. If you want someone to blame, look at your own people.

Um, "everything" my nation touches turns "dark and wretched?" How so? You refute my claim that you indiscriminately hate everything out of the US by saying that everything I touch turns dark and wretched? Ok...

quote: :lo l: The irony....

How is that ironic? I called you a xenophobe and you are. I'm an American living abroad (see the flag), and I've never put down a country in general for no reason. How would you construe that as me being a xenophobe?

quote: Sorry, but the people of the Soviet Union fried the USSR. It's interesting watching Americans try to take the "credit" for the fall of the USSR...."Well, Reagan gave that speech! "

What? What does the USSR have to do with anything?

	30-12-2003 07:28									#134
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quote: Um, "everything" my nation touches turns "dark and wretched?" How so? You refute my claim that you indiscriminately hate everything out of the US by saying that everything I touch turns dark and wretched? Ok... How is that ironic? I called you a xenophobe and you are. I'm an American living abroad (see the flag), and I've

Perhaps I'll give myself a 9/10, simply because I got your blood pumping

quote: What? What does the USSR have to do with anything?

The US simply cannot take credit for the destruction of the USSR. It may have helped but so did many other nations.

	30-12-2003 07:29									#135
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Sole credit, no. The largest share, yes, thank you very much.

Of course it helped that they were saddled with the biggest piece-of-**** useless ideology known to man.

	30-12-2003 07:31									#136
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Yeah, I mean...Reagan made that speech!!!

USA! USA! USA!

(Insert a picture of Britney Spears)

	30-12-2003 07:44									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Perhaps I'll give myself a 9/10, simply because I got your blood pumping

You, Tass? Never.

quote: The US simply cannot take credit for the destruction of the USSR. It may have helped but so did many other nations.

Maybe I missed something, but what does the USSR have to do with anything? I know you're not originally from the US, is that where you're from?

And if you hate the US so much, why don't you move? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm serious. Its not like its hard to emigrate. Are you too young, how old are you?

	30-12-2003 07:54									#138
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quote: You, Tass? Never.

Right

quote: is that where you're from?

Wow!

quote: Are you too young, how old are you?

Old enough to where I could move. Unfortunately, I have nowhere to move to. Plus, I'm beginning to like it here in Utah.

quote: Maybe I missed something, but what does the USSR have to do with anything?

I was responding to Skywalker.

quote: And if you hate the US so much, why don't you move?

Because currently the US is the superpower. For those willing to take advantage, it can bring enormous intellectual growth, though not too many in America take advantage of it.

	30-12-2003 08:03									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Because currently the US is the superpower. For those willing to take advantage, it can bring enormous intellectual growth, though not too many in America take advantage of it.

I don't know, but that sounds dangerously counter-revolutionary to me.

	30-12-2003 08:06									#140
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn I don't know,

But I do

I must acknowledge the facts. It is counter-revolutionary to not do so

	30-12-2003 08:18									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar But I do I must acknowledge the facts. It is counter-revolutionary to not do so

But how can a country so devoid of culture, and with such poor motives possibly bring enormous intellectual growth? Wouldn't the intellectual growth that it offers be inherently counter-revolutionary in nature?

	30-12-2003 08:20									#142
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn But how can a country so devoid of culture, and with such poor motives possibly bring enormous intellectual growth? Wouldn't the intellectual growth that it offers be inherently counter-revolutionary in nature?

No. Intellectual growth is dependant upon the person seeking such growth and not inheritly the nation giving it. While America may be devoid of culture, that does not mean it passes on its culture when one seeks to expand their intellect.
If you were correct in assuming that America "passes down" it's flaws when someone studies here, then I would be afraid that most of the world would have become very vile and evil already.
Luckily the mere fact that most of the world does not like the US should disprove this easily

	30-12-2003 08:26									#143
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I love people talking to Tass like he's supposed to be making sense.

	30-12-2003 08:27									#144
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Why did you change your name: Baryonyx/Squaladon/others?

	30-12-2003 08:28									#145
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I decided that I liked my original name. Why'd you change yours?

	30-12-2003 08:31									#146
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I'm looking for something more mysterious.

Um for me...it was cause GP is my initials and I behave badly at times and am not PC.

	30-12-2003 08:32									#147
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I thought you were a chick at first...

	30-12-2003 08:33									#148
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You've been at sea too long.

	30-12-2003 12:48									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Yeah, I mean...Reagan made that speech!!! USA! USA! USA! (Insert a picture of Britney Spears)

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quote: No...you don't wish the best. You are not happy about the successes in the South. You just want to piss and moan about the problems in the North. You don't have the intellectual ability to even consider a function with two independant variables. You are a moron as well as a *****. Go move your howitzers around. I bet you are a combat reloader.

Go away TCO. I'll tell you what I want and what I'm happy about .