29-12-2003 06:45									#1
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I just recently started playing this game. I'm a bit confused about the following: I launched an attack on a city using a fusion tank. It was defended by 5 primitive units, like a phalynx, for example. My advanced unit was defeated. Please explain! How can the equivalent of a bunch of folks throwing stones beat an armored unit that has advanced armaments?I just recently started playing this game. I'm a bit confused about the following: I launched an attack on a city using a fusion tank. It was defended by 5 primitive units, like a phalynx, for example. My advanced unit was defeated. Please explain! How can the equivalent of a bunch of folks throwing stones beat an armored unit that has advanced armaments? [COLOR=royalblue]

	31-12-2003 19:27									#2
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It´s one of those things, what makes rewiewers say CtP is a stupid game. I think CtP doesnt simulate armor more than bunch of extra hitpoints, and with enough primitive warriors you can destroy a high-tech fusion tank. Its quite un-usual, but that happens.

	01-01-2004 22:17									#3
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It also makes sense to me that five primitives units can defeat a tank maybe not destry but defeat, these primitive units are agiler then the tank and can climb on it from ive sides, if one of then on the tank then the guy inside the tank is a little bit helpless isn't he.

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	02-01-2004 00:35									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann It also makes sense to me that five primitives units can defeat a tank maybe not destry but defeat, these primitive units are agiler then the tank and can climb on it from ive sides, if one of then on the tank then the guy inside the tank is a little bit helpless isn't he. -Martin

	02-01-2004 00:46									#5
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Agree with both Martin and Grandpa.

	02-01-2004 01:01									#6
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Well, what does a "unit" represent? Is one unit = to one individual/vehicle? If that is the case I still don't believe that 5 men pounding their spears on the armor of a tank will defeat it. Has anyone played CTP2? Are more bonus points awarded to armored units?

	02-01-2004 05:05									#7
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If you were able to walk up to a tank, it effectivness will deminish once you pass the guns. How hard do you think it will be to run someome over with a tank. And those little holes you use for looking out, throw in a spear. Open the top and storm the tank. Warriors should be allowed to take command of an enemies tank if they defeat it in battle.

	02-01-2004 06:23									#8
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..pssstt..Hey..nuttin from nuttin here, but you keep running yer piehole and them folks will tear another tank apart.....so why dont you just let bygones be bygones..count your loss as a learning experience..but for real..the ai ALSO comes here and for real..the ai is allways looking fer a new B!@TCH..


Just watch out you never do know whom will Rat you out and then you wont have enuff Leviathan's to over come their spearmen!!

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	02-01-2004 07:05									#9
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	02-01-2004 07:08									#10
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Well it depends on your point of view, can that many Hoplites overrun a Tank, but then is it good for game balance that my expensive Tank gets beaten up by a few cheapo tin-men.

This is CtP2 by the way.

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	02-01-2004 07:50									#11
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It is when you go brain dead and come through the wrong door, come with a knife to a gunfight,stand up when you should shut up, ect. basically his unit got its @R$E whooped!!

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	02-01-2004 10:41									#12
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quote: Originally posted by EffEwe02 Well, what does a "unit" represent? Is one unit = to one individual/vehicle? If that is the case I still don't believe that 5 men pounding their spears on the armor of a tank will defeat it. Has anyone played CTP2? Are more bonus points awarded to armored units?

You were not in the infantry, I see. It is possible to kill a tank with a few infantrymen using gasoline, bottles, and some matches, i.e. Molitov cocktails. If you can get close to the tank, you can burn the outside and make it so hot inside that it will kill the occupants, or they leave the tank and then you are on equal footing. And with a little better technology, like RPG7's, Infantry can definitely defeat tanks in rough terrain. Regarding spearman vs. tanks -- check the history books about Ras Tafari where his spearmen gave the fully mechanized Italian army (with tanks!) a very tough time of it in Ethiopia in 1933.

Back to the question though. CTP is a grand strategic abstract game covering 8000 years. The unit types are mainly for asthetics. It is better to think of the units' numeric strength than to envision a tank vs. a spearman. Think of 1 tank = 16 strength points vs. 8 fortified phalanx = 24 points. You'll go crazy trying to make practical sense of this unit vs. that unit.

	04-01-2004 00:35									#13
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If some of the defending units were ranged (e.g. archers) then that result is slightly more likely.