30-12-2003 05:20									#1
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Looking at this image, can anyone tell me what's ironic here?

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	30-12-2003 06:51									#2
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I'm gonna just blatantly guess that the year in-game is also out-of-game accurate/correct?

	30-12-2003 08:09									#3
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That the Mayans are running a Republic, vs. the Technocracy that occured in history?

	30-12-2003 08:30									#4
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that you could fit 3 cities between any 2 you have?

	30-12-2003 09:43									#5
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The Mayans got carved by Catholic Spain, and will do the total opposite in this game? (Christian Mayans carving Spain instead )

	30-12-2003 09:56									#6
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That you're not even using that Wheat out in the middle of nowhere?

	30-12-2003 09:58									#7
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Perhaps the irony is that your Crusader won't be able to reach the front lines of a war until after you research the tech that makes them obsolete????

	30-12-2003 12:39									#8
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HA! THEY NEVER GO OBSOLETE! HAHAHAH!

	30-12-2003 22:29									#9
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the first crusade ran from 1095-1099ad.

	30-12-2003 23:00									#10
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In my current epic the fledgling Aztecs were destroyed by the Spaniards. Who says that Civ3 is un-historical?

	31-12-2003 02:39									#11
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Personally I have a beef with anyone who's running 6-turns-per research and 78 gpt, with almost 1.5k in the bank.

	31-12-2003 03:13									#12
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Perhaps it is a pre-BETA patch game, Fred. Quite understandable that way, with the gpt bug.

	31-12-2003 04:58									#13
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quote: the first crusade ran from 1095-1099ad

quote: That you're not even using that Wheat out in the middle of nowhere?

Sometimes you miss out on one resource for a long term advantage

quote: that you could fit 3 cities between any 2 you have?

Your cities don't grow very large, do they?

	31-12-2003 05:00									#14
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one city of size 30 is worth less than 2 of size 15.

	31-12-2003 05:41									#15
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I always try to get the best out of my terrain, even if that means gaps btween cities. I prefer to place a city on an empty grassland to get that immediate extra shield, to try and get that whale when my city expands. Sometimes it's a tradeoff - do I get that wheat or place the city on the river for that extra food and commerce? Do I move one more tile so two cities can have cattle instead of just one?

	31-12-2003 06:07									#16
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justjake, you might want to try camps.

	31-12-2003 06:30									#17
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Maybe he's happy playing it his way, and is a big fan of parkland?

If he's grabbing the wonders, he must be doing something right for the settings he is at.

	31-12-2003 12:21									#18
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One huge problem with OCP placement is the workers cannot keep up with all the work to get roads and improvements. You would need so many more workers, it would be very expensive.

A bit tighter placement is easier to work and defend. It does not waste tiles and it is a long way till Sanitation.

Other civs will be able to send units throuh all the spaces in your culltural borders until you get expansion.

I tried hard to use a size 19 at emperor and demi, but it is too much work unless you are isolated or only have one civ on your land mass and plan to kill them soon.

	31-12-2003 13:35									#19
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Wait, why is it ironic that your crusader came at the right time?

	31-12-2003 13:41									#20
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what's the definition of ironic anyway? :P

	31-12-2003 19:29									#21
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If I may whip out my English teacher credentials:

Irony is NOT what most people intend the word to mean - most people mean "coincidental" or "improbable" when they say something is "ironic."

For something to be ironic, it is sharply in contrast to what is intended or expected.

For example, a brilliant thinker who falls into madness is ironic.

Ending up marrying the girl you hated in 8th grade and swore you'd never talk to again is ironic.

Meeting someone you went to college with after 20 years is NOT ironic.

And, uh.... building a crusader in your civ game precisely around the era of the Crusades in the real world - while a very spiffy and commendable coincidence - is, er, not at all ironic.

So if you look at the song by Alanis:

Rain on your wedding day is ironic only if you expected sunshine - which you probably would, I suppose.

A free ride when you've already paid is ironic.

Good advice that you just didn't take might be ironic if the speaker intended you to take it - which they probably did.

Mr.Play-It-Safe's plane crashing is NOT ironic, however, since his intention in avoiding flying was to avoid exactly that, and the plane crashing was exactly what he WAS expecting - it was just a really lousy coincidence.

A "no smoking sign" on your cigarette break is certainly ironic.

A traffic jam when you're already late is absolutely not ironic - you're already late, so this does nothing to change your expectation of being late, nor your intention of not being late (since you already are.)

:: puts away his teacher's robe::

Sorry, you get like that after the winter holiday without students.

Class dismissed.

	31-12-2003 21:23									#22
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Theseus,

What's your definition of 'camps'?

Thanks,

Steven

	31-12-2003 21:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon So if you look at the song by Alanis: Rain on your wedding day is ironic only if you expected sunshine - which you probably would, I suppose. A free ride when you've already paid is ironic. Good advice that you just didn't take might be ironic if the speaker intended you to take it - which they probably did. Mr.Play-It-Safe's plane crashing is NOT ironic, however, since his intention in avoiding flying was to avoid exactly that, and the plane crashing was exactly what he WAS expecting - it was just a really lousy coincidence. A "no smoking sign" on your cigarette break is certainly ironic. A traffic jam when you're already late is absolutely not ironic - you're already late, so this does nothing to change your expectation of being late, nor your intention of not being late (since you already are.)

Actually, isn't Alanis's song TOTALLY ironic since it doesn't actually contain in irony?

	31-12-2003 22:40									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Meatros Actually, isn't Alanis's song TOTALLY ironic since it doesn't actually contain in irony?

If you feel that the song does not contain any irony, then yes, the song is ironic, assuming that her intent was in fact to be ironic, she achieved her irony by failing to be ironic.



Enough of this silliness.

	31-12-2003 23:26									#25
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I think I need a drink after all that.

	01-01-2004 00:47									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon If you feel that the song does not contain any irony, then yes, the song is ironic, assuming that her intent was in fact to be ironic, she achieved her irony by failing to be ironic. Enough of this silliness.

ya' got me!

	01-01-2004 02:24									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon If you feel that the song does not contain any irony, then yes, the song is ironic, assuming that her intent was in fact to be ironic, she achieved her irony by failing to be ironic. Enough of this silliness.

Good stuff.

	01-01-2004 10:50									#28
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Fried, thanks for the lesson. It sounds like you might've used that one before.

At least someone came to class prepared today.

Steven

	01-01-2004 11:19									#29
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justjake73, I agree with you that location is a higher priority than compactness.

Advantages: Better tiles (more shields and gold), more land (counts for score, if that is meaningful to you), potentially more resources.

Disadvantages: Unused tiles (who gives a "bleep"!), greater travel time (until rails).