01-01-2004 00:36									#1
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I had lunch with another friend of mine today, and he mentioned that he read a news article on gay.com about how the Salvation Army will refuse to give charitable help to anyone who is known to be gay or lesbian.

When is it appropritate to tell others your sexual orientation is a whole separate issue that can be for another separate thread.



My question here is that if the Salvation Army is indeed homophobic, then it's basically a hate organization, isn't it?

	01-01-2004 00:39									#2
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"If" is a highly speculative term to be throwing such accusations about, dontcha think?

	01-01-2004 00:40									#3
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I'll probably answer in a minute, as soon as I finish wrapping my brain around "gay.com"

	01-01-2004 00:41									#4
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Hmm, no, I don't think so.
They SHOULD get their priorities right, but I don't consider them to be a hate organisation..

	01-01-2004 00:41									#5
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT "If" is a highly speculative term to be throwing such accusations about, dontcha think?

Well, once I get the FBI on this, we'll find out for sure, either way.

	01-01-2004 00:42									#6
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Generally, it seems the latest controversy has to do with providing health benefits to same-sex partners. First the SA (Western division) said they would, then they said they wouldn't. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1113-06.htm

	01-01-2004 00:43									#7
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http://www.washblade.com/2003/12-19...l/salvation.cfm

	01-01-2004 00:44									#8
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thanks for that article, JohnT

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Unless a group bases it's identity around the denigration of another group of people, it dosen't qualify as a hate group in my book.

Yes, that is a fairly strict interpretation, and I think it should be.

	01-01-2004 00:48									#10
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I guess the Salvation Army is more of a hypocritical organization in that they are not following the Christian pratice of extending a helping hand to everyone in need, as Jesus Christ had helped those in need.

So really, the Salvation Army is not faithfully Christian-based in that aspect.

	01-01-2004 00:48									#11
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gay.com is a real site!!1

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The SA is a cult anyways.

	01-01-2004 01:06									#13
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quote: My question here is that if the Salvation Army is indeed homophobic, then it's basically a hate organization, isn't it?

No. Just like if they decided not to give money to hispanics they wouldn't be a 'hate organization'.

	01-01-2004 01:08									#14
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Imran -- ThAT makes no sense to me.

Following your reasoning then, someone who advocates forced segregation based on race, is not really a racist.


To what extent can we be wishy-washy to avoid calling organizations for what they really are?

	01-01-2004 01:21									#15
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quote: Following your reasoning then, someone who advocates forced segregation based on race, is not really a racist. To what extent can we be wishy-washy to avoid calling organizations for what they really are?

I quote Mad Monk:

Unless a group bases it's identity around the denigration of another group of people, it dosen't qualify as a hate group in my book.

	01-01-2004 01:24									#16
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they don't hate gays

	01-01-2004 01:27									#17
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I've never received anything from the SA. Does that mean they hate me?

MrFun, I think your bud is making a mountain out of a molehill.

	01-01-2004 01:32									#18
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They run a chain of kick ass second hand clothing stores here. And they find missing persons.

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	01-01-2004 01:43									#19
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discriminatory - yes, hate - no.

	01-01-2004 01:43									#20
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I've never received anything from the SA. Does that mean they hate me? MrFun, I think your bud is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Ok, so if the Salvation Army is not homophobic, what other reason is there that they would deny affirmative gays or lesbians needed charity assistance??




And to Imran's example with Hispanics -- what reason other than racism could there be, that they would deny a Hispanic charity assistance because that person is Hispanic?

	01-01-2004 01:48									#21
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quote: Ok, so if the Salvation Army is not homophobic, what other reason is there that they would deny affirmative gays or lesbians needed charity assistance??

Cite?

	01-01-2004 01:51									#22
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Ok, so if the Salvation Army is not homophobic, what other reason is there that they would deny affirmative gays or lesbians needed charity assistance??

lets see - they are specifically trying to help out poor straight people, the way some Jewish, muslim, black groups try to focus on their own groups needs?

No, ok they have some DONORS who are homophobic and they accomodate them - the point being that while discriminatory behaviour may, at some level be rooted in hated, it doesnt mean all who practice it are hating.

	01-01-2004 01:53									#23
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Hate and discrimination aren't the same thing, even if they are fellow travelers.

	01-01-2004 02:13									#24
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quote: And to Imran's example with Hispanics -- what reason other than racism could there be, that they would deny a Hispanic charity assistance because that person is Hispanic?

So how would that make it a hate group?

	01-01-2004 04:35									#25
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Well, I'm drunk (it is New Year's Eve) so I will say something I would not if sober.

It is OK to discriminate.

If you think it isn't, then how do you propose to rewrite the entire history of the human race?

	01-01-2004 05:17									#26
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark lets see - they are specifically trying to help out poor straight people, the way some Jewish, muslim, black groups try to focus on their own groups needs? No, ok they have some DONORS who are homophobic and they accomodate them - the point being that while discriminatory behaviour may, at some level be rooted in hated, it doesnt mean all who practice it are hating.

It's like calling the NAACP a hate group, because it specifically works for the advancement of 'colored people'.

	01-01-2004 05:29									#27
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*NOT* supporting the Salvation Army is homophobic, ergo, Fun is a closet homophobe.

	01-01-2004 05:33									#28
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I walk by their New York headquaters often- interestingly enough, their motto is "Blood and Fire". How cheerful.

	01-01-2004 08:24									#29
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Convert...Convert I say...




Well, Ashley has been deleted. Too bad, she may have saved a few souls here at poly from the abyss...

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	01-01-2004 08:28									#30
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Berz..are you looking to get banned? I think you better retract that pic soon....