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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/01/ci...s.ap/index.html

So, is this just a southside thing or is that stereotype old?

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Wooo! They're #1!

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"Hold me now... it's hard for me to say I'm sorry."

Oh, wait... wrong Chicago.

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People can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.

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Yay..congrats guys!

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It's good to be #1 in something.

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No final figures were available for Detroit, but an FBI report in mid-December put the city on a pace to end 2003 with its fewest homicides since 1968. The total would be about 365, the FBI said.


Because nobody lives there anymore.

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Well at least 365 people don't live there anymore .

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Chicago's new police superintendent, Philip J. Cline, joined colleagues elsewhere in blaming homicides largely on a volatile mix of gangs, guns and drugs.


Elsewhere, people explain the historical development of the West on guns, germs, and steel. Coincidence? I think not.

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Sorry for the totally bizarre threadjack. I don't know what I was thinking...

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So you're saying Chicago is the most advanced city on the face of the earth?

We knew that already.

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well, all our sports teams SUCK... it's nice to be good at something... I guess...

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The Chicago Fire ain't bad

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soccer is for pussies

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This is coming from someone who's never played it . Much more physical than baseball or basketball, that's for certain.

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well, all our sports teams SUCK... it's nice to be good at something... I guess...


Phoenix has you beat for shitty sports teams buddy. The Suns are dead last in the West. The Coyotes are barely a mediocre team. The Cardinals... well, there's really no question that they're the worst team in the league, even after the miracle win Sunday. The Diamondbacks looked like they had a chance but then decided to end the season by losing everything.

At least the Cubs made it somewhere before they choked

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Per capita -- the thing that counts -- Chicago isn't that bad. Washington only has 500,000 people and had 247 murders.

Oh, and you can't help but be stunned by New York's successes in lowering the murder rate. It proves that these aren't intractable problems.

Btw, that Baltimore guy in the article is a freaking moron. More people are dying because they are shooting more bullets. Wtf? :

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This is coming from someone who's never played it . Much more physical than baseball or basketball, that's for certain.
not so... I played soccer from age 4 to 12.... jackass...

how does soccer being more physical than baseball or basketball make it betteR? soccer is stupid... the ball gets kicked around a field for 2 hours and the teams settle for a 0-0 tie... then someone wins in a shootout... STUPID!!!

my own personal rankings of the best sports
1. hockey (best to play IRL--ice and roller, hasn't been great to watch since mid 90's... best video games to play as well)

2. football (best to watch and follow, second best to play -- tackle without pads is for men... I chipped two teeth playing REAL football)

3. baseball (individual games can be boring to watch... playoffs are great --cubs that is last year was great... best fantasy game to play... great fun to play IRL)

a distant 4th. Basketball... modern NBA is crap... it's turned into streetball and thugball. Good shooters are rare... everyone wants to "go to the hole". A fat monster like Shaq is the best player. Basketball is inherently flawed because taller players have an advantage over others --all things being equal of course-- basketball can be moderately fun when shooting around with friends, but it gets old real QUICK)

soccer is the worst of the major team sports... stupid to play, boring to watch... and the damn euro's and south americans riot when their teams win 1-0 in some lame ass overtime shootout. And people call America stupid... Any time some non-American calls America brutish, or uncultured, or barbaric... I'll just point to a foreign soccer game.

miscellaneous comments: golf isn't a sport, it's a game... tennis can be entertaining to watch, but only when the women are hot. Most Olympic events aren't sports either... running a certain distance to find out who comes in first doesn't require any skill... just physical prowess. sure, there are little things that good runners can do, but it's not a sport. It's a physical competition.

In order to be a "sport" there needs to be a game with defined rules where there is one winner and one loser in a single game. It must require REAL PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, like running, or skating, etc... golf doesn't count because you just hit a damn ball. Maybe if they chased the ball on foot and could hit each other and stuff like LaCrosse, I would consider making it a sport. But it's just a game. And one that is a waste of land, detrimental to the environment due to the amount of pesticides and chemical fertilizers used... and it sparks of slavery and/or economic enslavement... i.e. caddies carrying golf bags for fat, old, rich, white guys. If I were in charge, golf would be banned.

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how does soccer being more physical than baseball or basketball make it betteR?


Changing the question so soon, Sava?

soccer is for pussies

The contrary to that point is that it is a more physical game... meaning for not-pussies .

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the ball gets kicked around a field for 2 hours and the teams settle for a 0-0 tie... then someone wins in a shootout... STUPID!!!


And you show your ignorance of the sport. 0-0 games are not common. Sorry, they just aren't. And the US is the only soccer league that has a shootout.

Great to play, fun to watch... it's easily my 3rd favorite sport (after baseball and American football)... it beats hockey and whips basketball.

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Sava, if you'd ever been to a real soccer match you'd change your tune.

N American sports crowds are pussies by comparison.

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The contrary to that point is that it is a more physical game... meaning for not-pussies
it still is for pussies... being more physical than other sports doesn't change that fact. And I didn't exactly mean that the players were pussies.

my grandfather on my dad's side is in the Soccer Hall of Fame... BTW

but regardless... the game still sucks...

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Hmmm... last time I checked, this thread was about murders and not soccer

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Per capita -- the thing that counts -- Chicago isn't that bad. Washington only has 500,000 people and had 247 murders.

Oh, and you can't help but be stunned by New York's successes in lowering the murder rate. It proves that these aren't intractable problems.

Btw, that Baltimore guy in the article is a freaking moron. More people are dying because they are shooting more bullets. Wtf? :


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Baltimore homicides increased for the first time since 1998 as authorities said killings became more targeted, often in connection with the drug trade.

As of Wednesday, Baltimore reported 271 killings in 2003, compared with 253 in 2002. It was a 7 percent increase and the highest homicide total during the four-year tenure of Mayor Martin O'Malley, who campaigned on a pledge to reduce annual totals to 175.

Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin P. Clark said part of the increase was due to gunmen hitting their victims with more bullets.

"They are not looking to shoot a guy in the leg to send a message," Clark said. "They are out to kill these guys."

Preliminary figures from the District of Columbia showed the homicide rate dropping 6 percent in the nation's capital, from 262 in 2002 to 247 last year. But 2004 began with two homicides in about nine hours.


Looks like we'll be on top for homicide rate this year.

We're #1! We're #1!

**** all you pussies. We're #1!

If Baltimore had the same number of people as Chicago we'd have 1500 homicides a year or so.

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Hmmm... last time I checked, this thread was about murders and not soccer
sometimes you can't tell the difference between the two...

plus, I'd rather be murdered than watch a soccer game

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it's extremely strange how philly was not mentioned in the article especially since the number of homicides was an issue in the recent mayoral election. The AP didn't list philly but the philly inquirer said we had 348 this year.

strange how baltimore was mentioned though it had some 70 less murders. does this have anything to do with the fact that the Republican party in philly was saying the homicide rate was going out of control no thanks to the democrat mayor and journalists don't want to prove the republicans right?

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AS, Philly has more people.

It only comes in at #7 or 8 in the homicide rate.

DC, Detroit and Baltimore are the top 3 and are head and shoulders above the competition.

We're #1

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yes, mayor streets is responsible for the murders

btw, per capita baltimore had a lot more

Streets isn't responsible for the murder rate in Philly any more than Bush is responsible for the US murder rate. That's one thing even I don't blame on Bush... or Reagan and Bush I for the 1981-1992 murder rates.

It's a societal problem... one civic leader isn't responsible.

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There were 288 homicides in Philly (pop. 1.52 million) and 253 in Baltimore (pop. 670 000) in 2002 according to the FBI uniform crime report

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/xl/02tbl06.xls

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Sava:

but the president has no real influence over police whereas the mayor does so you can blame the mayor.

apparently, philly had a 20% increase in murders since last year. i would think that's notable, krazyhorse, unless the journalists are trying to hide something?


but what a great way to begin the new year...

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And the new year was barely an hour old yesterday when Michael English, 28, of West Philadelphia, who was attending the annual neighborhood New Year's Eve party at a Parkside bar, became the city's first homicide victim of 2004.

He was joined a few hours later by 20-year-old Juan Reyes, shot to death in his North Philadelphia living room.

Spiro's Park Rail Bar & Grill, on Girard Avenue at the foot of Parkside Avenue, traditionally throws a New Year's Eve party for its neighborhood customers, providing hats, noise makers and a disc jockey. But a few minutes after 1 a.m. yesterday, shots were fired in the long, dim, low-ceilinged bar, killing English, police said.

Fokas said the shooting was not preceded by any bar fight or other disruption. Police have no suspects and no motive.

Then, at 2:50 a.m. yesterday, police responded to a shooting at 805 East Allegheny Ave., where they found 20-year-old Juan Reyes face-up in his living room, dead from multiple gunshot wounds. Another man in the house, shot through the shoulder, was taken to Temple University Hospital, and was in stable condition, police said. They would not release his name. Police did not publicly declare a motive or suspects in that case, either.

 
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