03-01-2004 17:08									#31
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That sounds like a wager to me.

	04-01-2004 04:54									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon He knows what he's doing. He could easily take you in there and make sure you didn't get bit. Despite appearances to the contrary and the fact he's Australian, the guy is hyper smart and knows his stuff.

Yeah but the guy in Vegas that got mauled by his own tiger might have said the same thing.

	04-01-2004 05:06									#33
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I think this guy's really funny. His enthusiasm is great!

That said, what on Earth is he thinking?

	04-01-2004 05:33									#34
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The guy's pretty funny, he's very enthusiastic.

Now, he's a trained professional, and been out there enough to not make a stupid ****up, but he should've expected to get this kind of reaction.

EDIT: Comparison to Jackson is irrelevant. Michael Jackson didn't know jack **** about kids or balconies, whereas this guy knows enough about crocs to keep them from eating him.

	04-01-2004 06:02									#35
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quote: 'Crocodile Hunter' takes baby to feed crocs

It loses its edge like this though. Should have made a thread yesterday.

	04-01-2004 06:30									#36
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It's not like he was some random jackass who put his son's face in a rotweiler's. This is a trained pro, who knows animals, knows what they do. He probably had people around with him who would have ran in for the baby if there was a sign of trouble. If the croc had lunged, it wouldn't have gone for the baby in his arms, it would have gone for HIM. I think it was a stupid move for public relations, but if anyone should have a kid in a croc demo, it should be him.

	04-01-2004 06:38									#37
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He's already used his daughter as bait numerous times in shows.

	04-01-2004 06:43									#38
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Siegfried and Roy are trained professionals who know how to handle dangerous animals. That still didn't stop them from getting mauled.

Putting yourself in danger for no reason is your own decision, but putting other people in danger not fair to them.

	04-01-2004 06:56									#39
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I'd rather my mom had held me in her arms while talking to a croc then smoking while I was in the same room.

	04-01-2004 07:01									#40
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quote: He knows what he's doing. He could easily take you in there and make sure you didn't get bit.

If he wants to risk his own neck that's one thing, but we're dealing here with "what ifs", not what is likely. I wouldn't need him to keep from getting bitten, I'd stay the **** out of the pit or keep plenty of distance between me and the croc, and I certainly would not let Irwin hold onto to me ~10 feet away from the croc. What if the croc made a sudden lunge and Irwin slipped when reacting? Yeah, it didn't happen. That ain't the point, there's something called reckless endangerment and I find his behavior about as silly as Jackson's.

	04-01-2004 07:02									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Siegfried and Roy are trained professionals who know how to handle dangerous animals. That still didn't stop them from getting mauled. Putting yourself in danger for no reason is your own decision, but putting other people in danger not fair to them.

EXACTLY

They are wild animals

Hence the adjective "wild"

	04-01-2004 07:03									#42
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Maybe he did it as a display of sympathy for poor, misunderstood, persecuted Michael Jackson.

	04-01-2004 07:06									#43
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous I'd rather my mom had held me in her arms while talking to a croc then smoking while I was in the same room.

Your mom has complete control over what happens with that cigarette

She has no control over the crocodile even if she is an expert on its behavior

	04-01-2004 07:09									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Your mom has complete control over what happens with that cigarette

She has no control over the fumes of the cigarette.

	04-01-2004 07:09									#45
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As for Roy, I heard he slipped during a performance and the noise of the crowd, the lights, etc,. spooked the tiger which, according to Seigfried, was trying to protect him from a perceived danger. The tiger treated him like a cub in danger, grabbed him with his jaws and dragged him off the stage. But because Roy weighs more than a cub, the tiger had to apply more pressure with his jaws to drag him. Sounds logical, the tiger didn't actually maul him on the spot but tried to drag him away from the danger... Roy had only a handful of puncture wounds from the tiger's teeth, a mauling would have ripped him to shreds with the claws doing most of the damage...

	04-01-2004 07:11									#46
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It's a sad world we live in.

	04-01-2004 07:13									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor She has no control over the fumes of the cigarette.

Yeah she does

She can make sure there aren't any fumes by not lighting it in the first place

	04-01-2004 07:16									#48
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quote: EDIT: Comparison to Jackson is irrelevant. Michael Jackson didn't know jack **** about kids or balconies

Did he know anything about gravity?

	04-01-2004 07:24									#50
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous I'd rather my mom had held me in her arms while talking to a croc then smoking while I was in the same room.

You can get up off the couch and walk into another room. Could this infant make that same choice?

quote: As for Roy, I heard he slipped during a performance and the noise of the crowd, the lights, etc,. spooked the tiger which, according to Seigfried, was trying to protect him from a perceived danger. The tiger treated him like a cub in danger, grabbed him with his jaws and dragged him off the stage. But because Roy weighs more than a cub, the tiger had to apply more pressure with his jaws to drag him. Sounds logical, the tiger didn't actually maul him on the spot but tried to drag him away from the danger... Roy had only a handful of puncture wounds from the tiger's teeth, a mauling would have ripped him to shreds with the claws doing most of the damage...

Point being, animals are unpredictable. Does it really matter if the tiger attacked or was protecting him, the result was poor Roy ended up in the hospital and a lot of others ended up without jobs. But like someone has already mentioned he made a decision for himself to be in that line of business, but the infant has made no such decision. He just ended up with a crazy Aussie father who likes to include him in his acts..

	04-01-2004 07:34									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber You can get up off the couch and walk into another room.

It shoud read "same house". You ever lived with a smoker?

Besides, a 2 month old isn't going to "get up off the couch and walk into another room".

	04-01-2004 08:09									#52
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quote: Does it really matter if the tiger attacked or was protecting him

I imagine so, he'd probably be dead if the tiger was trying to kill him.

	04-01-2004 09:32									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Siegfried and Roy are trained professionals who know how to handle dangerous animals.

IIRC, they are more stage magicians than animal handlers. Besides, crocs don't overrun humans on land, tigers do.

	04-01-2004 11:48									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Crocs generally don't lunge forward. If it did, it'd gnaw on his leg first. It's not a wise move, but he probably knows more about crocs than you know about beer.

Bullcrap - I've been in croc country and the most chilling observation made by a ranger was the crocodile was the fastest animal over 20 or 30 metres. The way it hunts is to lunge head first at prey drinking on riverbanks. The main message being if you got too close to the water you stood no chance of outrunning a croc.

	04-01-2004 12:33									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Bullcrap - I've been in croc country and the most chilling observation made by a ranger was the crocodile was the fastest animal over 20 or 30 metres. The way it hunts is to lunge head first at prey drinking on riverbanks. The main message being if you got too close to the water you stood no chance of outrunning a croc.

Do note that crocs only move fast when coming out of the water, not when wallowing on land.

	04-01-2004 12:43									#56
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Yeah, what an *******! Doing that to a little kid, his own kid...

	04-01-2004 12:54									#57
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What if the crocodile decided to protect mr Irwin from the baby?

	04-01-2004 18:39									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Do note that crocs only move fast when coming out of the water, not when wallowing on land.

No, it's true, Horse is right, for the first few feet they can outrun absolutley anything.

	04-01-2004 19:11									#59
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Crocs can run very very fast, just not for a long time. Most species can "run" at 11kph, and some can even reach a speed of 17kph.

http://animal.discovery.com/converg...rt/expert2.html

For the lazy:

quote: People often ask whether it's possible to outrun a crocodile, and the answer is yes! Don't bother trying to zigzag while you run, though — just cut a nice, straight line away from the crocodile as fast as you can, and you'll easily beat it. The danger that crocodiles pose is not their ability to run after you, but their ability to strike before you even know what's happening. In other words, keep your distance and you'll be safe.

Not that it makes much difference at the distance his child was from the croc. Nor would a baby be able to outrun anything.

	04-01-2004 19:26									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker No, it's true, Horse is right, for the first few feet they can outrun absolutley anything.

Anything can outrun anything for the first few feet, mainly because that implies that the target is nearby and is caught unaware.