11-11-2000 06:34									#1
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NIM Republic (made up by me) (0 builds)
A Den S A Ham
A Ham S A Den

Tar’E (made up by me) (1 disband)
A Swe-Nor (move fails)
A ORB H

Rap’tor (Talon)
A Nor-Swe (move fails)


Universe of Allied Nations (WarVoid) (1 build)
F Eng > MAO
A Pic > Par
A Als Col Bel
A Ruh S A Bel > Hol
A Orb > Bel
A Bel > Hol

Aquaticans (Iain Lindley) (1 build)
A Ber-Ham (move fails)
A Fra S A Ber-Ham
A Mun S A Fra
A Swi-Mar
A Ven H
A Hun S A Ser
A Ser S A Hun
A Cro S A Ser
A Aus H
A Mil-Tus (no such unit exists)

Federation (Defiant) (1 disband)
A-GDA > WAR (move fails)
A-SIL S A-CZE
A-MOS > BIE
A-KRA S A-MOS > BIE
A-LIT S A-MOS > BIE
A-STP > MOS
A-GOR S A-STP > MOS (support cut, unit dislodged, can retreat to ORB or disband)
A-MUR S A-GOR
A-CZE > HOLD

Centurians (Chaz) (1 disband, Chaz dies)
A Hol H (unit dislodged, retreats to ORB)

Protectors (Victor G.) (2 builds)
A Bor-Auv
F Por Col Sve
A Mad-Sve
A Gib S A Mad-Sve
A Bar-ORB
A ORB-Mar (move fails)
F SoG-WMed
A Wsa S F Mal-Lib
A Alg S F Mal-Lib
F Mal-Lib
F Tun S F Mal-Lib
A Apu-Rom (move fails)
F Nap-Rom (move fails)

Laguzans (SnowFire) (2 builds)
F Lib->Mal (move fails, unit dislodged and destroyed)
F LBS ->Lib (move fails)
A ESA S F LBS->Lib
F Ale->LBS (move fails)
F EME S F Ale->LBS (move fails)
F Ion S F Lib->Mal
F Adr->Apu (move fails)
F Aeg S F Ion
A Gre COL Alb
A Bul S A Rum
A Rum S A Ode->Pod
A Sev->Ode
A Ode->Pod
A Kie->Bie (move fails)
A Kha->CRP
A Bie->War (move fails, unit dislodged, retreats to ORB or disbands)
A Vol S A Orb->Gor
A Ura S A Orb->Gor
A Orb->Gor
A Orb->StP

Tiara (Barbarossa) (1 disband, Barbarossa dies)
ORB-Sev (move fails)

	11-11-2000 06:55									#2
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Guys, I don't mean to question your ability to play diplomacy, but Snowfire's winning, and you're stabbing me. Think about this for a second. Who is stopping Snowfire? and how much do you really want to lose?

	11-11-2000 08:59									#3
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EOG;
Well the initial landing in this game hurt me bad. i believe it was Coug and myself that selected the exact same location to start out in and bounced. This put me in a bad hole to begin with. I expanded into France but by than Warvoid and Victor were closing in on either side of me and i got squeezed. This was definitely an interesting game with all the beaming around and what not, but I found out quickly the need to beam down successfully in the initial turn.

	12-11-2000 10:40									#4
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A Bie retreats to orbit.

And Victor, thank you for the compliment, but while I am probably the strongest power on the board, I'm still quite a few SC's away from winning. You yourself took back Libya this turn and I got dislodged from Bielorussia. Plus, your defenses in the Med will be extremely hard to break, so that only makes it tougher for me to get the required SC's. I wouldn't worry too much about a sweep if I were you.

Edit: My fleet in the Aegean is still shown as being in Istanbul on the map.
[This message has been edited by SnowFire (edited November 11, 2000).]

	12-11-2000 10:54									#5
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OK... nevermind. The army in ORB is the same one as the retreating one.
[This message has been edited by Victor Galis (edited November 11, 2000).]

	12-11-2000 10:58									#6
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My point was that if you all stab me, I would find it rather difficult to stop Snowfire while driving you all back, therefore anyone who stabs me is asking for a loss.

	12-11-2000 05:32									#7
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EOG:
I started out relatively well landing in Spain where no one else had tried to. So I spent the first few turns trying to consolidate Iberia. When I finally completed the task Victor stabbed me. And things went down hill from there.