05-01-2004 08:43									#31
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Jon Miller:
Malnutrition doesn't come from our technical unability to grow enough crops for the whole wolrd population, the problem comes from a terrible wealth distribution and from unstable areas where only subsistance food is available (such as in Sudan)

	05-01-2004 08:45									#32
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yah, I know

our problem is infrastructure

and greedy capitalists

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	05-01-2004 08:46									#33
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Current food production would already be able to put the world population on a fattening diet.

	05-01-2004 08:54									#34
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I've been hearing that argument for a good 40 years and it just doesn't work like that.

The US has always produced a huge food surplus. Back in the 70's, after OPEC had employed 'the oil weapon', there was talk of the US employing 'the food weapon'. I remember arguing with an Iranian and saying 'Look, you just don't realize how much food they produce there. If they were to cut off their food exports, there's going to be a lot of hungry people in the world." A day or two later, there was a documentary about this on the BBC, and the bloke was amazed at it. At the time the US was, amongst many other things, one of the world's largest rice exporters. It may still well be: I buy American rice at my local supermarket.

But the reason that you can't send a whole bunch of your surplus agricultural production to Somalia is because that if you did, you would destroy the local market. Somalian farmers would be screwed.

	05-01-2004 09:01									#35
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i'd like to not eat meat, but i'd shrivel up into nothing

soy is a nice protein replacement, but unfortunatley, eating it in large quantities raises estrogen levels

didn't mike mentzer go all vegetarian though?

	05-01-2004 17:28									#36
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I'm only half vegetarian: I eat that kinda meat you eat with pasta (Don't know the english word), though I don't eat steak (unless there's nothing else to eat)... there's two reason for this:

1) I simply just hate the taste of meat like steak and such
2) I don't like the fact that they kill lots of animals just to feed a couple of humans

	05-01-2004 17:35									#37
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I eat meat for ethical and political reasons.

	05-01-2004 17:41									#38
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Don't eat Beef, but only because the wife is Hindu, and so doesn't eat beef, makes it so much easier that way.

Only thing I dislike, is when you get some sad tourist in India shouting off about how they are "VEGITARIANS" (yeh, ive seen thing more than once believe it or not) .. as if that will somehow make them fit in ... ha ha ha .. foreigners

	05-01-2004 17:48									#39
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Indian food ( ) is perhaps the only way I could go full time vegetarian.

	05-01-2004 17:56									#40
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Indian food is great

one of the best restaurantes near by is indian

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	05-01-2004 18:15									#41
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quote: Originally posted by ADG 2) I don't like the fact that they kill lots of animals just to feed a couple of humans

Indian food

	05-01-2004 18:16									#42
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quote: But the reason that you can't send a whole bunch of your surplus agricultural production to Somalia is because that if you did, you would destroy the local market. Somalian farmers would be screwed.

When did that ever stop people? Agribusiness gets to sell food at a nice price to the government and then have it be given away and swamp the local market so that all the farmers go bust and have to sell their land to said agribusiness which then turns it into banana plantations or whatever for export back to the states...

	06-01-2004 00:38									#43
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quote: Somalian farmers would be screwed.

I doubt that Somalian farmers do any 'legal' cash cropping.

	06-01-2004 00:59									#44
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I don't buy this idea that vegetarianism is more efficient. Whilst the meat industry certainly has some truly hideous excesses, so does non-meat farming.

Meat is often the best option for marginal lands, which make up most of the Earth's surface, and are unsuitable for plant cultivation.

	06-01-2004 01:16									#45
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence I doubt that Somalian farmers do any 'legal' cash cropping.

They do, which is, paradoxically, the reason for the famine. The produce food for export to Europe, and when the drought hit, they didn't repurpose the still productive land for producing local food. You had the paradox of a country with a famine exporting food (like Ireland during the potato famine).

	06-01-2004 01:18									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Meat is often the best option for marginal lands, which make up most of the Earth's surface, and are unsuitable for plant cultivation.

He isn't talking about animal husbandry in marginal areas like the Sahel. In the U.S. sixteen pounds of grain and (IIRC) 100 gallons of water go into making a pound of beef. This is because after allowing the animals to graze, we send them to be fattened up and they get stuffed with corn (mixed with rendered animals).

	06-01-2004 01:34									#47
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I understand the point about eating more vegetable-based food. I am watching something on TV and they are trying to get kids to eat more healthily by getting them to adopt a world war two diet. I mean for christs sake, the kind of stuff we used to eat represents everything that stereotypes Britain for having terrible food. Boiled cabbage, sloppy stews...the very sight of it turns my stomach let alone some kids. There needs to be a certain appeal to make vegetable based dishes appealing. Indian cuisine for example, looks very nice. But piles of mushy cabbage boiled to a slow...eughhh.

	06-01-2004 01:35									#48
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I'm a vegetarian 'cuz I luv animals

and want to care for them when they're sick

	06-01-2004 01:39									#49
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You are not, you liar.

	06-01-2004 01:40									#50
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Well I am going to run off and open a donkey sanctuary, so

	06-01-2004 01:45									#51
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I eat horse meat because I hate horses.

I say you guys should try horse meat. It's low on fats and cholesterol, yet it's cheap and almost as tasty as beef.

	06-01-2004 01:46									#52
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I think I'm gonna be sick.

	06-01-2004 01:49									#53
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Sorry, this thread makes me think of the "I'm a Blonde" song in Earth Girls are Easy.

	06-01-2004 01:50									#54
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I think I'm gonna be sick.

weenie
It's real meat, and it's exactly as "sick" as eating cattle.

	06-01-2004 01:52									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor weenie

Is THAT the part you eat?

eewwwwwww

I think I'M gonna be sick.

	06-01-2004 01:53									#56
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Spiffor: 2-0

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Isn't it always easy to spot the Frenchman...who else would recommend horsemeat?

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Tongans?

	06-01-2004 02:00									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Isn't it always easy to spot the Frenchman...who else would recommend horsemeat?

Any guy with has taste

	06-01-2004 02:01									#60
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Horsemeat tastes like glue.