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Enigma_Nova
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Anyone call for a detached renegade?
Time to bring my unique perspective to the conversation, unbiased by the writings of any major political philosopher (principally because I don't read political philosophy).
I'm closer to libertarian / anarchist than most people are comfortable with, because I (personally) have a higher ability to lead myself than most, and a higher desire for other people to do the same.
In any circumstance, I'd be aiming for:
Liberty.
No Citizen shall be tied down by duty to the hive (with fear of reprimand); All work will be voluntary.
Respect is the only payment for hard work, and the only punishment is loss of respect.
(GO the honour system)
Creation.
All Hive members have the ability to formulate their own thoughts. This activity should be encouraged in the utmost.
The Thoughts of all Hive members, though not equally thought-out, informed or correct, should be expressed, and we should encourage and accept expression of belief.
Nor should we ignore or flame noobs, but rather help to upgrade the flawed into the higher-order players
Information.
May no piece of information be denied from any hive member to any other hive member (excepting a spy, who will promptly cease to be a Hive member). All opinion, argument and information flow shall be free.
This is to facilitate discussion within the Hive, so as to use every man's ability to process information and make decisions.
Decision-Making.
All hive members are equally entitled to their vote presuming they show a level of competency in their field.
All Hive members may state their opinion or keep it silent, but an opinion that is unexpressed (or without backing argument) should not be encouraged to win.
I am concerned about the way several people kiss up to any set rules and regulations, acting as if laws were absolute.
Know that I am firmly against this stance, I do not support such belief.
All 'laws' are merely common belief, that can be disagreed with and challenged. There is no absolute right way to act and as such there is no absolute wrong way to act.
People will work on a 'creation & judgement' system where they judge the situation and create an action. (Yes we already do this but it's a matter of mindset)
If we can rid ourselves of the need for absolutes, and pinning ourselves into boxes and frameworks, we're taking a step towards wisdom, autonomy, and ultimately a better lifestyle.
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Octavian X
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Probably buried under piles of Literature, Biology, or Government homework
Jan 2002
time: 23:33
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My first suggestion for a new constitution would be mandated, regular elections for Chairman.
No offense against Comrade Voltaire, but our chief executive, to ensure that he truly answers to the people, must be elected in a democractic process. Voltaire's election occured so long ago, and was decided by so few people, I hardly think it can be claimed he was elected.
The idea of an elected Chairman leads me to a second proposal: that all members of the government under him, with the exeception of the People's Court, be appointed by him, as well as removed by him. The idea is that we can then keep the number of inactive government members down to a minimum.
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Enigma_Nova
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quote:
Originally posted by Octavian X
My first suggestion for a new constitution would be mandated, regular elections for Chairman.
No offense against Comrade Voltaire, but our chief executive, to ensure that he truly answers to the people, must be elected in a democractic process. Voltaire's election occured so long ago, and was decided by so few people, I hardly think it can be claimed he was elected.
The idea of an elected Chairman leads me to a second proposal: that all members of the government under him, with the exeception of the People's Court, be appointed by him, as well as removed by him. The idea is that we can then keep the number of inactive government members down to a minimum. |
Meh... those that have the competency to lead don't always have the competency to persuade. Take me for example.
Of course... we could probably elect someone who knows what they're on about.
Like Octavian, or FrankyChan or such.
I'll have to talk to Octavian X about all this, because I intend to have a say in how the new system is constructed.
Are we all in on this one?
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Is it at all possible that the candidates for the election be the ones that worked on the government? Are people required to voice their desire for a position, or can anyone be nominated?
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Octavian X
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Probably buried under piles of Literature, Biology, or Government homework
Jan 2002
time: 23:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Enigma_Nova Is it at all possible that the candidates for the election be the ones that worked on the government? Are people required to voice their desire for a position, or can anyone be nominated? |
I'd assume these elections would procede in a manner similar to previous ones. A thread would be opened, requesting nominations for the position. Self-nomination would be allowed. Once the nomination was accepted by the nominee, that person would be on the upcoming ballot. Of course, since I am envisioning a government entirely appointed by the Chairman, there would be no prerequisite government service.
As HongHu has stated, the only true, if unstated, requirement would be the desire to lead the nation, and the desire to pour every ounce of your devotion in doing so. There is no way to place a legal requirement on this, so it's up to the people to decide.
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Enigma_Nova
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I've never led anything before so I might as well give it a shot.
At least I can't be sued for negligence if I fail...
And if I win it will look good on my CV.
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Enigma_Nova
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Why do we need a chairman, anyway?
Someone tell me why Voltaire's position is important?
What prevents us from self-governing, as it were?
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Kody
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If life's standing still and your soul's confused
Jun 2003
time: 14:33
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For people that have concentrated mainly on turn playing, volatire's work has been mainly behind the scenes.
Voltaire has given me alot of advice when I've been uncertain of what path to take and dealt with many of the issues that have arisen with dissatisifed members.
Also when a decision (sometimes temporary) must be made for the short run that can't brook waiting more than 12 hours, Voltaire as chairman has been on MSN to authorise the decision. Without that many of the critical trading opportunities would have been missed due to it being too late.
Voltaire also happens to have a more medium opinion in many diplomatic matters. While Honghu and I usually go for strong trust and squeaky clean diplomancy, Voltaire is there to remind us of those that don't support that kind of approach. He's helped with figuring out the comprimises.
Oh yeah, he's the one that runs all the government roleplaying. There wouldn't be much government roleplaying at all without him.
To sum up, he plays the devil's advocate, he deals with unrest, he allows decision to be made taking responsibility for them, he's also been one of the bridges between turnplaying and the hive as a whole, and he runs the government roleplaying.
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Kody
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If life's standing still and your soul's confused
Jun 2003
time: 14:33
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I'm not paying much attention to the new constitution, so I'll leave it to others figure out how those things fit in (or if they fit in) with a new government system.
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Enigma_Nova
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Writing a constitution?
Ehh...
Why's it a one-man show, anyway?
I'd support HongHu, if only because I trust her to involve the other folk.
Have I not *****ed about having my unconventional and wise opinions heard? As one of the few surviving people not to be affected by a common stance of morality, I could be an excellent addition to the constitutional formation comittee
In the end I'd have everyone jump in. I'd sooner have the matters resolved now than have us devolve into infighting.
(and you KNOW that if I feel stifled I can blackmail you by refusing to play the turn)
Voltaire, while I appreciate your training, here your learning is your prejudice. No need to base a constitution on the laws or guidelines of old.
Laws? We are smart enough to understand the social implications of our actions. Laws are for those too stupid to see their effects. If a person thinks the current way works they will work with it and if not then they will help update it.
Note that I am going to some lengths to avoid the tragedies of Earth reappearing on Chiron - don't throw it in my face with a less-minded pro-rules anti-creativity anti-judgement system or DOOM BE UPON YOU!
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Voltaire
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Calgary, Alberta
Aug 2001
time: 22:33
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Interesting how the responses received do not quite seem to hit the mark as to the intended topic, what I’m saying is simple, you wanted democracy, I’m giving it to you, now elect a Chairman to start writing the constitution the ‘people’ want. I, in all honestly, did try, but the responses received in terms of suggestions were vague and few.
With that, so that people can get their act together, I am officially resigning as Chairman, as of this moment we do not have a government, so I would suggest to the people to get their act together and elect a new one. Being a private citizen and one most adamantly opposed to the changes taking place and in the new spirit of apathy, I no longer have responsibility to organize these elections. Thus to those of you who support democracy, you have your wish, now act upon it.
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Mead
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quote:
Originally posted by Voltaire
Interesting how the responses received do not quite seem to hit the mark as to the intended topic, what I?m saying is simple, you wanted democracy, I'm giving it to you, now elect a Chairman to start writing the constitution the ?people? want. I, in all honestly, did try, but the responses received in terms of suggestions were vague and few.
With that, so that people can get their act together, I am officially resigning as Chairman, as of this moment we do not have a government, so I would suggest to the people to get their act together and elect a new one. Being a private citizen and one most adamantly opposed to the changes taking place and in the new spirit of apathy, I no longer have responsibility to organize these elections. Thus to those of you who support democracy, you have your wish, now act upon it. |
If we are going to have a new Constitution, let's pattern it on something simple, we'll known and easy to use.
Myself, being from the United States am familiar with the U.S. Constitution.
I think we can kind of base it on that or one of the other democracies around the world.
There are a few things I like about the US one.
1. I am familiar with it, and know how it works.
2. It really is simple, just a few pages, and it seems to have worked reasonably well over the past 200+ years.
3. It already, with its amendments spells out how to elect and recall the executive.
4. It shows how the legislature (people) influence power.
5. It shows how the courts work and how basic rights are protected.
Please, please, please, note, I don't want to get into a philosophical dispute over US policy or politics (past, present, or future). I make the suggestion as a pragmatic solution to the problem. It may make the job of writing a constitution easier (we may even be able to copy it electronically to MS Word, modify it to suit our needs, and vote on it).
There are a few changes I would like to see.
1. Replace the Congress with a Parliment (a two house legislature is too complicated and unwiedly, plus we have too few members)
2. Change the term of years for a Chairman from 4 years to something longer (perhaps 8, it should be debated).
3. Remove the two term limitation on the executive.
Please let me know what you think. If you have there is another constitution we should consider basing ours on please suggest it. Whatever we choose we will have to make some modifications to fit our unique needs.
Mead
PS
I do not think we should accept Voltaire's resignation just yet. I think that he should stick around as Chairman at least until we get something else in place.
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05-01-2004 11:47
I saw Enigma's post and thought that we are to make norminations right now. 
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