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varwnos
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Thessalonike
Oct 2003
time: 07:33
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Well, it will be very loosely based on history, infact i think that i will probably start it off in the time of basil the bulgar-slayer (who didnt do anything enlightened anyway, but those were dark times) and then kick it off in the time of Matzikert and the plotting of Psellos and the rest of the political party against emperor Romanos Diogenes (who ended up blind in some prison cell, and there goes the entire eastern part of the empire with him). I am not yet sure that i will go on with the idea though, it is a bit too much. perhaps if i could get some help with the ideas and character graphics (apart from the byzantine army which is easy to do)  i am not into byzantine history, since i dont really like the byzantine empire or any empire or nation particularly. i am trying to live as a human being without the need to hold on to any such glorified notion of the past.
As for the book "in the time of the bulgar-slayer" i havent read it, but read other stuff by Penelope Delta. She was a great writer in some of her work, but i think that she had serius psychological problems. Check her story "the broken violin" which is about the suicide of a young boy. Certainly she wasnt a happy person. And in my book that means that her life wasnt good.
I am thinking of having a rather small map of northern Greece and parts of the south, and also part of the asia minor coast (not the map of my GWOI scenario) and have 3 "kingdoms" the Byzantine empire (almost everything) the duchy-principality of Morea (pelloponese) and the despotate of Epiros. This is anachronistic ofcourse, but this is a fantasy scenario. Then there will be the player, with his units. My model scenario of the kind os Spartacus, but it will be very hard to reach that civ2 heights New ideas are welcome, nothing is set yet. Herreson's city graphics will be probably used (or were they made by Heraclius?) Some good "inn" graphics are needed as well, so dont be shy!
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varwnos
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Thessalonike
Oct 2003
time: 07:33
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ok, two more units i made, the amazing unit for the evil noble Psellos (i think it was Ioannis Psellos, not sure though, historical figure, in all probability didnt look like that at all though heh) and his fat-boy swordsman. Alternative title: "you just HAD to go against Psellos in the first 5 turns while playing on Deity level, didnt you?" LOL
curtsibling, how about that help you talked about?  i wont try to make everything by myself that is for sure, it is too much work. i will need terrains looking like inns and walls, and also catapult and balista units, and also a lot of babes (wait, that isnt your job, but the rest are!!!)
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Valuk
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Acres Wild
Oct 2002
time: 05:33
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I don't like the idea of the two fantasy states much, but it would be interesting to make a scenario where you would have to create an indepednet district in pre- and post-Manzikert Asia Minor or Bulgaria.
What good would Morea and Epiros do, anyway?
P.S.: Byzantium became a "zealot-state" in the time of Justinian, its' cultural life bloomed more than ever in the Paleologian period, with thinkers like Plotin, who was a semi-secret neo-pagan but was tolerated.
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varwnos
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Thessalonike
Oct 2003
time: 07:33
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hm, well the Palaiologian period was indeed a period of a final flourishing of the arts, but that just means that the people of the time had no way of leading a humane life. When the possibility of leading a narmal life perishes the person of abilities just pushes himself over in the fantasy world of art, that is all. Think of Kafka, Meyrink, Baudelaire, Pessoa, and in some degree even Dostoevsky. Also you can think of Nietsche's argument against artists etc. But ok, i am not really into that kind of debate here, this is a civ2 forum
as for morea and epiros, well all i can say is that i find them more interesting as fantasy states, than bulgaria or asia minor. Besides Morea had princes in the final years, and Epiros almost succeded in becoming an empire, after 1024. But the final argument (not that one is needed anyway) is that they are in Greece, so it is more fun for me
The catapults + balistas look cool, ty
I think that a fun idea would be that the player isnt exactly the protagonist, but some other minor "kingdom" rebels under the influence of Venice (or rather supposedly under the influence of Venice, but in reality due to opposition to the nobles in the case of the demise of Romanos) and the Empire is trying to kill the rebels. Then the player takes advantage of the situation and chooses to either become the king of Epiros (in war with both the Empire & Epiros) or to attack the minor Pelloponesian or Athenian kingdom so as to profit in the war. Well at the moment it is a very vague affair what the plot will be like, and certainly it is still very early days
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Valuk
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Acres Wild
Oct 2002
time: 05:33
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varwnos: I didn't picture Bulgaria or Asia Minor as fantasy states, I just meant to emphasise that there wsa much confusion and semi-independent areas there even before Manzikert, but things got out of hand in 1071-81, when there wasn't much in the way of centalised gouvernment in the Empire, and the emperor contolled only the capital nad a few other areas.
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varwnos
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Thessalonike
Oct 2003
time: 07:33
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Ok. i realised that the horse unit i made was utter crap, so i made a new horse unit, a "serius horse unit" (just imagine that this is austin powers, the movie). So this "serius horse unit" is a lot better, and looks a bit like the paintings of st george slaying the dragon (i am not christian, but its a cool image i guess). Here is the "serius horse unit", but just before that i would like to say that i dont understand why i am the only one participating in the thread, certainly i am not going to make this scenario on my own, i havent got the time or ability to make the terrain and all of the units. like i said i need: church terrain, inn terrain, fantasy characters (knights, no wizards) and also some cool icons would be helpfull, byzantine ones from the european part of the empire (ok i am not that picky). Ofcourse i am not *****ing about this and that, i am a friendly person It is just that i like it when people take part in a project, it isnt fun to try to make everything on your own, and besides i am working on the units atm Also a word or two about the units wouldnt hurt, although this might be just me (i like hearing praises)
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Cyrion
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Caught somewhere in time
Jan 2002
time: 06:33
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quote:
Originally posted by varwnos
Ok. i realised that the horse unit i made was utter crap
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Sorry but I don't agree: your first unit was nice! 
Of course, the second unit is nice too, so maybe you can find room in your scenario for 2 cavalry units?
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Also a word or two about the units wouldnt hurt, although this might be just me (i like hearing praises) |
Ok, you'll get it now
At first I had some doubts about your units: I find them nice, but I thought they wouldn't blend well with existing units I saw in other scens, as your "style" is a bit different from the commonly seen (which is NOT a bad thing, BTW!).
After seeing that you were developing other units, I had to change my mind: if you can produce the whole "batch" of units necessary for your scenario, then I believe it will end up looking really nice and homogenous! 
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i would like to say that i dont understand why i am the only one participating in the thread, certainly i am not going to make this scenario on my own, i havent got the time or ability to make the terrain and all of the units. like i said i need: church terrain, inn terrain, fantasy characters (knights, no wizards) and also some cool icons would be helpfull, byzantine ones from the european part of the empire (ok i am not that picky). |
I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment (work, pbems, skiing, and developing my 1st scenario) and so can't help you much! So I'll probably be unable to provide many graphics (and if I do, it would be only already developed ones, as my artistic talent is virtually non existent! ), but I'm willing to help you with ideas, events and such, IF and WHEN I have time! So don't expect too much...
And last: nice to see some "new blood" coming to this forum and taking part in the CIV II creation process!
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