06-01-2004 20:46									#1
	Right now airports all over the U.S. are fingerprinting and photographing millions Increase the size of your Attachments

of foreign travelers from some countries.


Next, it will be ALL foreign travelers.


Then all Americans.


Next thing you know we will need travel permits issued by the goverment whenever we want to leave our city.

All of this will be in the name of "security" and it will be "one more thing", a small thing, so it will seem perfetly rational...

Some posters here called me crazy when the patriot act was first re-enacted and I said that it would be re-enacted, and it was. I was told I was paranoid "omg 1984 bwahah111!!!!11111!". Er no, gradul things like this is how its all going to happen.

	06-01-2004 20:48									#2
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Are we going to have to carry "papers" and go through checkpoints all the time? My commute takes long enough as it is.

	06-01-2004 20:50									#3
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you have to have a picture ID to drive a car.

so... i couldnt care less if they want my picture at an airport. in fact, if it makes things safer, i like it. smile!

	06-01-2004 20:50									#4
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American children are already fingerprinted as a way of identifying them in case of abduction etc.

Turn it into a conspiracy if you'd like.

	06-01-2004 20:51									#5
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Good thing I escaped to China. I only have to carry about 4 documents with me at all times here.

	06-01-2004 20:53									#6
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Waste of money. Waste of time. They'll figure it out soon enough.

	06-01-2004 20:54									#7
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Information is never a waste of time or money.

	06-01-2004 21:01									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen of foreign travelers from some countries. Next, it will be ALL foreign travelers. Then all Americans. Next thing you know we will need travel permits issued by the goverment whenever we want to leave our city. All of this will be in the name of "security" and it will be "one more thing", a small thing, so it will seem perfetly rational...

This is one of those posts where I can't tell if the poster is trolling or truly delusional...

This is the country where monster truck rallies and gun shows rule. It'll be a cold day in Hell before ANY of that will happen.

	06-01-2004 21:34									#9
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Like the patriot act, a bill though drastic was said to be temporary, being brought up for vote again and being made permanent?

	06-01-2004 21:41									#10
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Well, I can't say I'm unhappy the Feds are keeping an eye on who's entering the country, but I really don't expect it to do much. Known terrorists will just enter the country illegally, and with our huge, empty borders, that's plenty easy enough to do. Sleepers aren't gonna be on the Feds' radar anyway.

But it makes people like MWHC feel safer, so I guess it's worth the delay and expense.

	06-01-2004 21:42									#11
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV so... i couldnt care less if they want my picture at an airport. in fact, if it makes things safer, i like it. smile!

Whether it makes things safer or not is the $64,000 question, though. Look at the recently-cancelled transatlantic flights between London & Washington recently for a prime example: several names that were on the passenger list were red-flagged by Washington as potential "security threats". Who did some of those names turn out to be?

A five-year-old girl.
An elderly Chinese woman.
A prominent Egyptian scientist.
A Welsh insurance agent.

Does that make you feel safer? That such an unassuming lot of people gets red-flagged as "security threats" by the government that asks you to give up "just a little bit more" information in the name of security?

	06-01-2004 21:50									#12
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It may seem a little paranoid, that the us wants to take piictures and fingerprints, but anyone that is entering the country needs to have a passport anyway, and matching the person to the passport is certainly a good idea.

Espescially when you consider that some of the 911 terrorists used falsified passports.

	06-01-2004 21:50									#13
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Do you get a copy of those pictures too? Could be somehow useful....

	06-01-2004 21:53									#14
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They've even posted the pics on the net.

This one looks like a weirdo, came in through Texas with his ten wives.

Looks oddly familiar. I guess those lazy, donut-eating border guards thought he was cool.

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	06-01-2004 21:54									#15
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They already scanned your passport (including photo) when you entered the US anyway (well they did mine at LAX). Fingerprinting is a bit of a ***** though. Waste of time.

	07-01-2004 16:16									#16
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Yet more lines, more delays, more missed connecting flights.

I swear, before Sept 11th I never missed a connecting flight while flying the US. And after, I missed all but one.

All due to lines and lines and more goddamn lines. Lines at customs, lines at passport checks, lines for security check ups, etc. I'm ****ing sick of it. When I've been flying 8 hours from Amsterdam to O'Hare, I do NOT want to have to spend another hour or more waiting in lines, and being stressed out about wether or not I'll make my connecting flight. **** American Airports.

	07-01-2004 16:25									#17
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It's funny how only foreign carriers are being delayed/cancelled (BA, Air France, Air Mexico) due to security alert. maybe this is just a way for Bush to pay back his contributors in the US airway industry...

I mean seriously, if that flight 233 was ever a target don't you think that after 6 days of delaying it and ott screening (22 US agencies have to clear the passenger list apparently), the terrorists haven't switched to some other flight and carrier?

	07-01-2004 16:29									#18
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Let's just say I'm hostile enough to this measure that I'll wholly avoid the American territory as long as it's in place. Sorry tosay that, but you won't get my money

	07-01-2004 17:18									#19
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just go eat at mcdonalds, we'll get your money that way

	07-01-2004 17:26									#20
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And we'll get yours from the interest on the massive debt that the US is racking up.

The US is not only responding to the terrorist threat in a cack-handed way (not really surprising, they are novices at it after all) but it is getting deeper in debt all the time to it's major strategic challenger (with the Chinese central bank buying up large amounts of US government debt)

	07-01-2004 17:31									#21
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centrifuge, that's what the function of this whole thing is. However I disagree with its effectiveness with REAL terrorists. They can BUY REAL passports. They don't have to use fake ones, they just can buy real ones. With different names. Fingerprints will match etc, if they haven't been arrested in the US before. No problem.

	07-01-2004 17:35									#22
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But even then it's not all useless. They can track them down afterwards, if there are fingerprints or security camera pictures .. unfortunately that's when it's too late though. But that's better than nothing and helps the investigations a lot. Plus with this they can catch the ones that are not top elite but more of smaller time crooks.

	08-01-2004 07:50									#23
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There's already a thread about this

Lots of people overracting like the thread starter

	08-01-2004 10:05									#24
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Yet another reason not to fly on US airlines.

Last month I flew back to Canada. If I had bought tickets from United Airlines, my girlfriend would have had to buy a $100 visa just to change planes in San Fran. So instead we flew on a Taiwanese airline.

These so-called security policies are going to severely damage American airlines, and that means Americans are going to lose jobs.

	08-01-2004 10:08									#25
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quote: Originally posted by optimus2861 A five-year-old girl.

You are so naive as to underestimate the potential security threats of five-year olds?

	08-01-2004 10:45									#26
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quote: Originally posted by centrifuge anyone that is entering the country needs to have a passport

Not everybody.

	09-01-2004 06:32									#27
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quote: Originally posted by el freako And we'll get yours from the interest on the massive debt that the US is racking up.

You don't actually expect the US to pay, do you?