08-01-2004 03:50									#31
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quote: but this vote includes character

:whistles:

Ty Cobb
Cap Anson
etc.

	08-01-2004 04:02									#32
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Yes... character has NEVER been an issue before.
However... your relations with the voting media has made a difference. If you are real jerk to the media, you may have to wait for the veterens committee to get elected That's the reason Rice isn't in yet. The media just doesn't like him...

	08-01-2004 04:03									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: but this vote includes character :whistles: Ty Cobb Cap Anson etc.

I agree with you, old Bambino too was another "Character"

	08-01-2004 04:04									#34
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quote: That's the reason Rice isn't in yet. The media just doesn't like him...

And that's a shame, IMO. Jim Rice deserves his place in Cooperstown.

	08-01-2004 04:05									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Yes... character has NEVER been an issue before. However... your relations with the voting media has made a difference. If you are real jerk to the media, you may have to wait for the veterens committee to get elected That's the reason Rice isn't in yet. The media just doesn't like him...

Character may not be an issue. I don't think the writers give a crap about Rose's character. It is the in-sport integrity issue. He committed the cardinal breach of trust with his sport.

	08-01-2004 04:09									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Ryne Sandberg 309 61.07 Bruce Sutter 301 59.49 Andre Dawson 253 50.00 Steve Garvey 123 24.31 Tommy John 111 21.94 Don Mattingly 65 12.85 Dave Concepcion 57 11.26 Dale Murphy 43 8.50 Dennis Martinez * 16 3.16 Randy Myers * 1 0.20

These are the ones off this list I would like to see in the Hall.

(Apoligies to Ming for massacering this quote)

	08-01-2004 04:15									#37
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I stand corrected. My limited English Language usage levels me to that of a slug..BUT Integrity is perhaps somewhat closer.

It is a shame that its "Integrity" and not "Character" that defines one contributions.

The age old discussion about whether a players contributions off the field should merit his eligibility into the HOF.

I think it should but thats just one mans opinion.

So,would ones "Character" include "Integrity"?


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	08-01-2004 04:29									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll So,would ones "Character" include "Integrity"? Peace Grandpa-"Just-an-iggorant-@R$E"-Troll

I would say yes to this. An argument can be made that integrity is such an integral part of character that they cannot be removed from one another. I believe that this is a case where they can.

You a slug?? Now thats just not true. Your usage was correct from a broad point of view. I am simply splitting a few hairs here for the sake of clarity.

	08-01-2004 04:32									#39
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Who would I like to see in the Hall who got votes this year?

Ryan Sandberg
Bruce Sutter
Jim Rice
Bert Blyleven
Alan Trammell

That's it. Maybe they'll get in during the next few years, but all SHOULD get in.

	08-01-2004 05:06									#40
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quote: Originally posted by rah He did spend some time on the Cubs. As did many of the nominees this year.

I don't count his farm team...

	08-01-2004 05:07									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel quote: he didn't play for an American team. Carter was with the Cubs, the Indians and the Padres before he came to Toronto. What has been done here is ridiculous. Same with Dave Stieb, Jimmy Key and Cecil Fielder. Why are so many former Blue Jays (Fielder was one too, before he went to Japan) so bluntly ignored?

Payback for the cheap lumber.