07-01-2004 19:31									#31
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You're never gonna get a satisfactory design no matter what.

I'd prefer a wave pool with a water slide, calling it 9/11 HappyFunLand, but that's just me.

	07-01-2004 19:40									#32
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Just build a mall.

	07-01-2004 19:44									#33
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are those missile silos?

	07-01-2004 19:49									#34
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SAM sites, for the protection of the rest of the high rises.

	07-01-2004 22:11									#35
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How about a plaza, with a firefighters helmet on the centre, on top of an fire-axe, like WWII era helmet on Garand?
Of course, somehow protected against idiot teenagers.

Or maybe a Statue of Liberty-like statue of a lone, heroic fire-fighter hosing the flames of freedom... *Snif*

Wait...

	08-01-2004 00:03									#36
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it looks stupid....

they should build two more buildings even taller than before...

	08-01-2004 00:06									#37
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don't they build one big thing anyway?

	08-01-2004 00:09									#38
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Those foundations should be filled with water and be turned into swimming pools...

	08-01-2004 00:32									#39
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Well, you neophytes to the issue:

1. There is a group of victims families that is fighting to prevent anything being built on the site of the tower footprints, while the owener of the property is anxious to build. Now, any plan ahs to meet some new changes to the street layout and so forth, so it is not a simple matter of just building something- there are competing and cnflicting interest groups involved.

2. That phote there is a terrible one. Only the pools are part of the memorial-that thing to the side is not.

Of alkl the finalist designs, this was by far my favorite-supposedly its main advocate in the jurry was the designer of the Vietnam War Memorial-the best war memorial in the uS by far, most evocative of the real cost of war.

As for the design, in the bottom you have reflecitng pools, with paths going down- along these paths in the side are carved the names of the dead- waterfalls are also included- I say find better drawings of what is intended.

	08-01-2004 00:43									#40
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I'd like to see a memorial worked into another massive tower design... perhaps a huge promenade in the lobby or something with fountains and a public memorial...

but to not have another skyscraper just seems stupid to me... life has to go on... people die...

	08-01-2004 00:48									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Sava but to not have another skyscraper just seems stupid to me... life has to go on... people die...

You're right. They should build a mortuary there. It can have the world's largets incinerator.

	08-01-2004 00:56									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'd like to see a memorial worked into another massive tower design... perhaps a huge promenade in the lobby or something with fountains and a public memorial... but to not have another skyscraper just seems stupid to me... life has to go on... people die...

For ****'s sake, READ! For the upteenth time, they're STILL PLANNING on building the gigoondus skyscraper...this is just the design for the memorial portion of the WTC.

	08-01-2004 01:00									#43
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Yes, they will still build the annoyingly named Freedom tower.

	08-01-2004 01:07									#44
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They should build two. The Freedom Tower and The Liberty Tower.

(Sorry GePap)

	08-01-2004 01:11									#45
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We already have Liberty Plaza, which are the three green skyscrapers next to where the WTC is.

	08-01-2004 01:21									#46
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NYC is not about Freedom or Liberty, it is about Money!

World Trade Center is just fine again, or International Trade Center- Global Trade Center..

or best yet, the Nexus.

	08-01-2004 01:21									#47
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GePaP, while I agree the horrors of war should be represented in the memorials, and in the case of Vietnam there was more horror than anything else, but there are other aspects of war.

How about the heroism of the fighters, both dead and alive? How about the triumph of a cause all those people thought important enought to die for? Granted the WTC is not a war memorial, that gives far too much credit to the attackers. However, the firefighters and private citizens who risked and gave their life that day deserves commending in grand style. I think the currently building WWII memorial and the Korean War memorial captures all facets very nicely and tastefully.

I personally believe we should just put a stop gup untill the war on terrorism is won (which I know will be a LONG time) so we can have a memorial and triumph monument, to show the lives lost there, in fact the lives that let to the very war, were not loast in vain.

	08-01-2004 01:23									#48
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You all know the world trade center was in no way a hub of world trade. Those are the most misleading names.

	08-01-2004 01:25									#49
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"World Trade Center" doesn't imply it's a hub of world trade, merely that trading goes on there on an international scale, which certainly was true. Most major cities have a world trade center.

Or maybe we shouldn't call a mall a shopping center, since it's not the center of all shopping!

And I personally think huge, grand memorials to the dead are garish, having nothing to do with taste.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap NYC is not about Freedom or Liberty, it is about Money! World Trade Center is just fine again, or International Trade Center- Global Trade Center.. or best yet, the Nexus.

Of course we should not name them after the ideals that our country aspires to. We should name them after the ideals of our economic system...wait we are talking New York...okay...

Let's have Greed Plaza with Profit Tower!!

	08-01-2004 01:28									#51
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Good thing you won't have any memorials built to you, but those of us in professions that do, we know our fallen like them just fine.

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	08-01-2004 01:33									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Good thing you won't have any memorials built to you, but those of us in professions that do, we know our fallen like them just fine. Edited

If this is directed at me, I'd love to know what presumptions you're under about who I am and what I do. Do tell.

I'm not anti-memorial, I'm anti-big, garish, overdone memorial full of meaningless traditional claptrap like bronze statues and obelisks.

Frankly, I don't think people who cast aspersions as to the intent of those working on this memorial (i.e. "they only want it that way 'cause they're cheap!") deserve anything other than contempt. Talk about defiling the spirit into which this is being entered...

	08-01-2004 01:33									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos How about the heroism of the fighters, both dead and alive? How about the triumph of a cause all those people thought important enought to die for? Granted the WTC is not a war memorial, that gives far too much credit to the attackers. However, the firefighters and private citizens who risked and gave their life that day deserves commending in grand style. I think the currently building WWII memorial and the Korean War memorial captures all facets very nicely and tastefully.

Their names wil be engraved in stone- that is as much remembrence as anyone gets, unless you were to ask for statues of each guy. I don;t buy the notion of unnaturla heroism on that day- in times of crises like that (a sharp, immidiate crisis) people alwasy come through. The overwlhlming reality of 9/11 is one of tragdy and loss. Yes, there was heroism, but only in the context of catastrophe. A memorial to 9/11 should be akin to the Arizona Memorial, and the Arizona Memorial is an abstract shape and a plaque of names, not some statue or other paraphanelia.

The WW2 memorial strikes me as Roman lite- triumphal arches, eagles..tacky.

	08-01-2004 01:36									#54
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Of course we should not name them after the ideals that our country aspires to. We should name them after the ideals of our economic system...wait we are talking New York...okay... Let's have Greed Plaza with Profit Tower!!

Well, the republicans are in control, so the names would fit the times immensely, no?

NOw where is our money!

	08-01-2004 01:47									#55
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Well, the republicans are in control, so the names would fit the times immensely, no? NOw where is our money!

	08-01-2004 02:06									#56
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Your view on memorials is a minority considering the designs submitted to those in charge of the WTC memorial design. There used to be a site up with hundreds of them.

The Arizona memorial is considered to be one of the ugliest ones in existance. There have been more than a few initiatives to replace it, included the Navy. The Navy wanted it gone because it is falling apart. That of course is the problem with most contemporary designs, they are contemporary and do not become distiguished with age. Sheet metel, no matter how much you care for it, does not last the test of time. The only exception to this is the Eifel Tower, but the French overwhelmingly wanted it torn down after the World Fair (I think that was the event they made it for) was over. More than a few people still think it is gaudy.

Interesting that a Washington monument is Roman like, as that is what all of Washington was originally designed to look like.

	08-01-2004 02:13									#57
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And Washington is a boring, ugly city from an architectural standpoint. It looks like a giant cemetary full of colorless mausoleums. It's also wrong, since the Romans used a lot of color in their buildings. The friezes on the buildings were fully painted.

Washington is positively sepulchrial.

	08-01-2004 02:18									#58
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Once again, you are grossly in the minority on this one. Not that that makes you wrong, you are entitled to your opinion.

	08-01-2004 02:20									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Your view on memorials is a minority considering the designs submitted to those in charge of the WTC memorial design. There used to be a site up with hundreds of them.

Wait, didn;t my favorite choice just WIN the contest? As they say.." and the experts agree..."

	08-01-2004 02:21									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Once again, you are grossly in the minority on this one. Not that that makes you wrong, you are entitled to your opinion.

So your opinion makes Boris the minority?

1 +1=2, Borius's opinion makes up 50% of those presented here....ypu, minority.