08-01-2004 02:25									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Once again, you are grossly in the minority on this one. Not that that makes you wrong, you are entitled to your opinion.

Says you...any proof? I've never met anyone who appreciates Washington for its architecture. Indeed, everyone I know finds it boring as well. Who likes it (besides you)?

What's to like about enormous, features hunks of colorless marble lining a wide, featureless piece of flat grass with sandy footpaths?

I don't see how anyone could think Washington is a paragon of architectural wonder while complaining about the proposed WTC design...good lord...

	08-01-2004 02:48									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Says you...any proof? I've never met anyone who appreciates Washington for its architecture. Indeed, everyone I know finds it boring as well. Who likes it (besides you)?

The only people I know who lived in Washington(my cousin and her husband) hated it, found it boring and ugly. They preferred NY much better

	08-01-2004 02:54									#63
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Spiffor, as a Frenchman, do you think there is any significant number of people there who view the Eiffel Tower as ugly and garish?

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It is called epic style, and it is why the Virginia Tech school or architecure sends its students there every year. And since they are YOUR freinds, I am sure they think like you on a host of things. But then again it isn't as if DC is in any way uniform in its architecture. I suppose you despise all the cities of Europe for their classical epic architecute, and of course nobody appreciates tem either And since when were the facades of Washington featureless.

Do the glass cubes of today offer you more features, or the concrete cubes of twenty years ago? There is a reason why architecture like Washington has survived thousands of years, and it isn't because it is not appreciated.

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I would suppose bieng from France epic architecture is nothing special to them, but huge glass skycrapers are.

And who said anything about the French finding it gaudy, I said people.

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos There is a reason why architecture like Washington has survived thousands of years, and it isn't because it is not appreciated.

Yes -- the tenacity of people with poor taste has spanned for centuries, unfortunately.

	08-01-2004 02:58									#67
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I am sure that is it

	08-01-2004 03:00									#68
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I bet a fabulous memorial could be set up through a special show called "Queer Eye for the WTC Memorial."

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I guess they would need a sixth member, the architect. They could redue famous buildings around the world.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Spiffor, as a Frenchman, do you think there is any significant number of people there who view the Eiffel Tower as ugly and garish?

There was. The Eiffel Tower was harshly criticized when it was built, but I haven't heard of any criticism in my whole lifetime.
OTOH, everybody still considers the Montparnasse tower (Paris' only skyscraper) as an ugly speck we'd wish to see removed :vomit:

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I thought you had strict hieght rules in Paris, isn't the highrise buisness district miles from the city proper?

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos And who said anything about the French finding it gaudy, I said people.

The people I referred to lived in Washington longer than a great many Americans

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Finding the Eifel Tower gaudey Spiffor.

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I thought you had strict hieght rules in Paris, isn't the highrise buisness district miles from the city proper?

Yep. The Skyscraper in Paris has been built before that law had been passed IIUC. And it does be an unglyspeck in Paris

	08-01-2004 03:06									#75
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We're talking about central DC, the mall area, and that's not "epic" style, it's predominantly Neo-classical. And it's predominantly ugly.

I'd have to wonder if you've even been to a European city if you think DC somehow resembles one--it certainly doesn't. As I said, even the classical architecture of ancient Greece and Rome at least had color, which DC hasn't. The only building there with color is Smithsonian Castle, which looks jarringly out of place.

And some people will find pretty much any building unattractive, so I don't see what the point was of mentioning the Eiffel Tower in that regard?

	08-01-2004 03:11									#76
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The same point of you mentioning things you don't like.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor The only people I know who lived in Washington(my cousin and her husband) hated it, found it boring and ugly. They preferred NY much better

I live in Washington (well, basically - I live in Fairfax County) and I like the buildings. I hated the one trip I've made to NYC - there's too much STUFF.

	08-01-2004 05:15									#78
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quote: And it's predominantly ugly.

The mall is perhaps the most beautiful place in any US city.

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quote: Originally posted by PLATO It does seem to be lacking something. I just can't put my finger on it...

Twin towers?

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: And it's predominantly ugly. The mall is perhaps the most beautiful place in any US city.

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Twin towers?

You know, there may just be some psychological validity to what you say.

Damn Terrorist.

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker I live in Washington (well, basically - I live in Fairfax County) and I like the buildings. I hated the one trip I've made to NYC - there's too much STUFF.

So basically, your provicial Washingtonian self was overwhelmed by a real big city?

	08-01-2004 20:36									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The mall is perhaps the most beautiful place in any US city.

To how many US cities have you been?

	08-01-2004 21:43									#84
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I don't see how anyone could find the Mall "beautiful." At best, it's just bland.

Long, flat, featureless grass rectangle, plus straight, symmetrical orange sandy paths, surrounded by oversized, monolithic, blocky white tombs. Perhaps there are some who find blocky, symmetrical geometry "beautiful." *shrugs*

I'd like to see this person in a place of genuine civic beauty, like Hyde Park. Central Park even trumps the Mall--it at least has hills, woods, meadows, lakes and ponds and trees that aren't all in a straight line.

	08-01-2004 21:54									#85
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"The Arizona memorial is considered to be one of the ugliest ones in existance."
Isn't it supposed to represent the capsised Arizona, a bottom of a ship? Or was it just on the exact spot, where Arizona lays?

	08-01-2004 21:59									#86
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The memorial is a walkway over the actual carcass of the ship. Apparently, it's hideously ugly...

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It is, and if you had ever been there, you would see it is covered in rust. I am not sure how an uimaginative shape of pressed sheet metal with no features except rectangular glassless slips qualifies as anything special. There ar car dealershi pshowrooms here with more taste.

But just so I have a litmus, what do you consider to be an ideal example of architecture? If you have ecclectic (sp) tastes that is fine, so do I, but pick something so I can understand what you are using for comparison.

Please, of course