11-01-2004 05:32									#1
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In another thread it was mentioned that we can't link to 'illegal' filesharing programmes, this is in the Apolyton FAQ.

But how does Apolyton define legal?

The site owners are based in Canada and Greece. I believe the server is Canadian?

Usually the Canadian Criminal Code and other legal systems are pretty much in synch (although I notice that DanQ has not warned us about the law against creating a situation where a monarch might feel unsafe!)...warez, cracked software, other illegal stuff is pretty obvious........However...

Canadian courts have ruled that many forms of filesharing illegal in the United States ARE legal in Canada (in effect)....

So why not refer to methods of filesharing legal in Canadian law? (no uploading, i.e. leech-only programmes)

Is this an American website?

	11-01-2004 05:35									#2
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Computer gaming is/was illegal by greek law

	11-01-2004 05:35									#3
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Why not assume that all filesharing software is suspect and keep it at that?

	11-01-2004 05:38									#4
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Owners are Canadian and Greek, but the server is American.

Thusly it goes by American oppressions, and not Canadian or Greek oppressions.

	11-01-2004 05:39									#5
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Theoretical usage of p2p is not illegal. Practical usage is. Ming has usually kept all p2p-references, altough the term "p2p" as a no-no, and I think it's a good policy.

	11-01-2004 05:43									#6
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Ah the server is American....we're all probably guilty of aiding terrorism or interstate commerce or some such thing by now then.

	11-01-2004 05:43									#7
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It doesn't matter what is legal in your country or where the server is.
The owners make the rules here, and they have decided that they will not offer an enviornment that supports theft of software or music. So they view it as protecting the rights of the original Publisher/owners. They see it as theft... pure and simple. There are many other places you can go and discuss this type of thing... and it is not allowed here... period.

	11-01-2004 05:55									#8
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I guess I'll consider the matter closed then. My explanation for this thread was this post by Ming which confused me:

"If it's LEGAL... OK... Not legal... not OK.
The owners of this site do not support or condone the illegal use of software or theft. It's really pretty simple"

Using terms like 'legal' and 'illegal' when what is really meant is 'what the owners want'.

File sharing is not 'illegal' in Canada, it's not theft. But if MarkG doesn't want it talked about, OK. It IS 'legal', but it is NOT 'ok'.

Just don't give me this 'legal/illegal' BS.

	11-01-2004 05:58									#9
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It's not allright but it's OK

	11-01-2004 06:10									#10
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I thought it was alright but not OK?

	11-01-2004 06:14									#11
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IIRC, the server is in the US (Texas). As such, a legal action done by American law can shut the site down, so the American law has to be respected.

Besides, Apolyton has a close partnership with game companies that make Civ Games, and the community could be hurt badly if such a bond was broken, if these companies decided to distrust us. As such, we have to abide with the laws of their country (mostly US, but also France for Atari, and I suppose a few other countries get involved in Civ-making games)

	11-01-2004 06:15									#12
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quote: They see it as theft... pure and simple.

I don't mean to put words in Markos' and Dans' mouths, but sometimes I wonder if "certain administrators" of "certain websites" have this policy in fear of their homes being raided by super-secret evil RIAA ninjas or if they really believe it's theft?

	11-01-2004 06:19									#13
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quote: IIRC, the server is in the US (Texas).

Guess there ain't much that's legal then.

	11-01-2004 06:20									#14
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell I don't mean to put words in Markos' and Dans' mouths, but sometimes I wonder if "certain administrators" of "certain websites" have this policy in fear of their homes being raided by super-secret evil RIAA ninjas or if they really believe it's theft?

most likley fear of the ninjas. I hardley blame them though, I am paranoid bout uing the net, and i don't even do anything wrong

	11-01-2004 06:25									#15
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I thought I was the only one who lived in fear of the RIAA Ninja Clan??

	11-01-2004 06:31									#16
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nah, everyone is terrified of 'em i think I mean, its like these pop-ups that tell yu what your IP is then say you are in danger. I mean, if some bullshit pop up does that, how do i know osme one isn't using my IP for some untoward puropse

	11-01-2004 06:39									#17
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man I mean, if some bullshit pop up does that, how do i know osme one isn't using my IP for some untoward puropse

P2P programs are supposed to encrypt your IP adress, unlike ordinary web browsers. To get your IP in a P2P program is possible (and it has been done, in Denmark and in the US IIRC), but it is much more of a pain in the ass.

	11-01-2004 06:52									#18
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:worried: its like my PC is not my own, as soon as you go on the internet on a nice new virginal PC you get a virus. I remember getting the love bug one inthe first week of thePC i am on now, about a year after the lovebug thing came out

	11-01-2004 06:54									#19
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downloading a firewall, and keeping your virus protections up to date, and only opening requested e-mail, is the best protection against viruses

	11-01-2004 07:00									#20
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell only opening requested e-mail

This is by far the best protection against viruses. Most of the time, I get an unwanted email with an exe attachment. Yeah right, that must be somme cool porn

I suggest you to turn to Mozilla for both web browsing and Mail client. Most viruses are solely intended at IE or Outlook, and as such Mozilla is already safe from them. Besides, I'm not aware that Mozilla launches any executable program without asking you first if it's okay (and whenever a suspicious site wants to launch a program, you know it's never okay)

	11-01-2004 07:22									#21
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Didn't one of the early features on Big Huge Games mention that they had a centralized server with 5 gigs of mp3s?

	11-01-2004 07:43									#22
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yea, theres craploads of laws, and if someone wanted to they could probably find some technical violation for this website.

	11-01-2004 09:29									#23
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Markos and Dan better get the Server out of the US before Ashcroft forces them to close the OT forum for hosting "unpatriotic reds" (Me, Che, Tass, Ramo, Spiffor, Kid, etc.).

	11-01-2004 09:37									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker Ah the server is American....we're all probably guilty of aiding terrorism or interstate commerce or some such thing by now then.

Go whine some more about how bad the US is. That is allowed and is normal Poly activity. Your copyright violation crap is not. Buy the damn CD you cheapskate. And don't give me that crap about how you want to try stuff or how it will help the record label more since you try more when you buy more.

Do as you are told. This is America.

	11-01-2004 09:39									#25
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USA!

	11-01-2004 09:43									#26
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I just kicked a hot date out of my apartment.

	11-01-2004 09:44									#27
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I looked very carefully at what threads were on the list and figured this was the best one to say is non-serious and not harmed by "chat"

	11-01-2004 09:46									#28
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why'd you kick her out?

	11-01-2004 09:47									#29
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You are correct, George