11-01-2004 06:44									#1
	Mozilla Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

After reading a certain other thread about someones PC woes, it was suggested he get Mozilla, what is so good about it, and why is it better then ie?

	11-01-2004 06:45									#2
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

It doesn't use ActiveX scripting, so it can't get most spyware. (You'll still get it however if it's installed with a proggie you downloaded.)

It has tabbed browsing and a bunch of other little goodies that make it better than IE

	11-01-2004 06:47									#3
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If i left IE on my PC, will it cause problems?

	11-01-2004 06:52									#4
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Also, with a little tweaking, it blocks unwanted popups without you having to use separate software to this effect. Besides, it has the magical ability to "block images from this server", which means you can wholly obliterate advertising pics that come from a dedicated advertisement site.

It's the browser I use, and I recommand it to everybody.

There are however downsides:
- It starts up slowly, because it is an all inclusive package that includes mail client, adress book, and homepage composer. You don't have to use any of these features, but they are included nonetheless.
- Some pages are incompatible with it, and some pages require the popups to be not-blocked to work. If you encounter such pages, you should start IE.

But overall, Mozilla is really, really worth it. If you go to their website (http://www.mozilla.org), download the latest "stable version". Betas work quite well, but they still tend to be more buggy than older stable versions.

	11-01-2004 06:52									#5
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no because you're not using it. it's just there.

you really should leave it on, too. just in case you don't like moz.

(iirc it's a pain in teh ass to uninstall it on any Windows anyway)

	11-01-2004 06:53									#6
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man If i left IE on my PC, will it cause problems?

None at all.
IE is installed on my PC, and I use it about once a month, when I visit a page that is incompatible with Mozilla. I haven't experienced any problem from this.

	11-01-2004 06:53									#7
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quote: - It starts up slowly, because it is an all inclusive package that includes mail client, adress book, and homepage composer. You don't have to use any of these features, but they are

You can install it without these features.

quote: - Some pages are incompatible with it, and some pages require the popups to be not-blocked to work. If you encounter such pages, you should start IE.

	11-01-2004 06:58									#8
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As far as my knowledge goes, on a Windows system it is not possible to completely "remove" IE, you can just refrain from browsing with it and tell your firewall to deny it access to the Internet. Leaving it on your system is perfectly fine, if you make your alternative browser the default browser (it'll usually prompt about this on the first run) and don't use IE. Besides, Windows Update is IE-only.

quote: - It starts up slowly, because it is an all inclusive package that includes mail client, adress book, and homepage composer. You don't have to use any of these features, but they are included nonetheless.

Which is why I use Firebird. It does eat a noticeable amount of memory from my own experience, but I can't tell whether it's more or less than what IE does, it's been a while since I used it for that long.

quote: Some pages are incompatible with it,

Sadly, yes. Inevitable with 99% of Internet users using IE.

quote: and some pages require the popups to be not-blocked to work. If you encounter such pages, you should start IE.

You can tell the popup stopper to ignore certain pages, at least Firebird's can. I have yet to encounter a website I would have needed IE for, though, but I'm sure someone will be able to come up with one. Whether I'd want to browse that site is a completely different question.

You can also install a whole load of plugins to add extra functionality, like enhanced adblocking, link downloading, and so on. You can also modify its appearance with skins.

IE will have tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking, but I'm not sure when. By Windows XP SP2 which is due this year I think.

	11-01-2004 07:01									#9
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I use a dual Mozilla - Opera arrangement. The only time I fire up IE is to talk to my router.

	11-01-2004 07:04									#10
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I never tried Firebird, so I can't hosnestly advise it.
IIUC, it's simply the browser of Mozilla, without the rest of the package, and with a few new features. If Kassiopeia says it's a stable software, and that it's faster than Mozilla itself, I'd say go for it

You can find Firebird at http://www.mozilla.org as well

	11-01-2004 07:04									#11
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thx for the help, i am using it now, it is quite good

can't find the options/settings bit though then again, it is late

	11-01-2004 07:07									#12
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Edit menu
then Preferences

It's a bit confusing. If you want to block popups right away, click on "advanced" in the left frame, and then uncheck the box "open unrequested windows" or something like that (for some reason, the option completely disappeared once I unchecked it )

	11-01-2004 07:07									#13
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Tools -> Options. In Firebird that is.

quote: If Kassiopeia says it's a stable software, and that it's faster than Mozilla itself, I'd say go for it

It's crashed and frozen on me every now and then, about once in two months maybe (it is 0.7 after all). I can't give an honest opinion on whether IE would crash more often or not on my setup, however. Also I've used Mozilla only on my older comp that had 1/8 of the RAM of my new one, so I can't really tell about speed either. Mozilla was horribly slow then though, and I used Opera. I'd gather it'll be faster since it hasn't got the extra stuff.

	11-01-2004 07:11									#14
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thnks spiffor, i look like an idiot now though

	11-01-2004 07:30									#15
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man thnks spiffor, i look like an idiot now though

If you have trouble with computers, you certainly don't look like an idiot by having some starting difficulties with Mozilla. I needed several hours to find the option when I first discovered the software, yet I'm quite familiar with computers (without being an all-out geek )

	11-01-2004 09:04									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia As far as my knowledge goes, on a Windows system it is not possible to completely "remove" IE, you can just refrain from browsing with it and tell your firewall to deny it access to the Internet.

I heard that you can use this program to de-integrate IE from Windows. Don't quote me on it, though.

quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Besides, Windows Update is IE-only.

True, though you can download the patches by hand.

	11-01-2004 09:13									#17
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I mostly use Mozilla Firebird, but bring up IE for certain pages.

	11-01-2004 09:18									#18
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Is it better than Opera?

	11-01-2004 09:24									#19
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I like it better than Opera. Seems faster to me.

You have to download some add-ons for mouse gestures and some stuff doesn't work that great, but it seems like the fastest brower out there and you have a lot of people working on it (ah that open source)

	11-01-2004 09:29									#20
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browser wars are soo 1999

	11-01-2004 09:29									#21
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Sounds good, I'll give it a try.

	11-01-2004 09:35									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker browser wars are soo 1999

Browser wars have become a reality again since IE's relative quality compared to the competition tanked. I'm not on Mozilla to make a point. I'm on Mozilla because my surfing is much more comfortable this way

	11-01-2004 09:38									#23
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not really

everybody still uses ie

	11-01-2004 09:45									#24
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You mean "everybody who uses Windows and doesn't know any better."

Even Asher uses Firebird.

	11-01-2004 09:49									#25
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typical linux thinking

blame the end user for not being haxor enough

i heard a great quote the other day from a successful software vendor:

"it's time we stopped making people learn software and start designing software around PEOPLE"

most people like Windows

	11-01-2004 10:05									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker "it's time we stopped making people learn software and start designing software around PEOPLE"

Among all the people I went to convince in using Mozilla (i.e. people merely comfortable with computers, and not geeks by any stretch of the imagination), only ONE preferred IE. That's because he had an old machine, and Moz was too slow for him.

If so many people still use IE instead of Mozilla or Opera, it's not because of user-friendliness or lack thereof from the competition. It's simply because the competition isn't well known by the general public.

	11-01-2004 10:21									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker typical linux thinking blame the end user for not being haxor enough

Yeah, this accusation comes from a person who engages in leekspeak.

quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker "it's time we stopped making people learn software and start designing software around PEOPLE"

Steve Jobs is right

quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker most people like Windows

Most people don't even have a computer

	11-01-2004 10:44									#28
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quote: I heard that you can use this program to de-integrate IE from Windows. Don't quote me on it, though.

I've heard about them, but what I've been told they just hide and mess around with directories and shortcuts to make it look like it's gone. *shrugs*

	11-01-2004 10:45									#29
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I've got a couple questions: How do I convert Opera bookmarks to Mozilla Firebird, and can I get Opera-like search bars ("find in page" in particular would be nice) in this browser?

	11-01-2004 10:51									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo I've got a couple questions: How do I convert Opera bookmarks to Mozilla Firebird, and can I get Opera-like search bars ("find in page" in particular would be nice) in this browser?

If the Opera bookmark file is just a plain HTML file, you can import it into Firebird.

As for searches, there's already a "find" function under "edit."