13-01-2004 00:56									#1
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Anyone notice when you pick random Civs..90% of the time the Incas, Aztecs, Amercians, Iroquois, and Mayans are in your "Random" game.

Why is this? A bug?

I play Emperor, 8 civs.

Is there a way to truly make it random?

	13-01-2004 01:24									#2
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Actually, in the past three epic games I've played, I've only faced one of those civs once, so I don't think there's a problem with randomness here.

Are you playing with culturally-linked locations? If so, you should be aware that the civs are put into groups. Thus, if you play a European civ, you are likely to have other European civs as neighbors. The Incas, Americans, Aztecs, Iroquois and Mayans are in the same group (I think there's one more in that group, but I'm not sure.) If you play as any member of that group, you will likely have the others in your game.

	13-01-2004 01:26									#3
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I play as Dutch or Byzantines

	13-01-2004 01:37									#4
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Actually, I've noticed this same problem - I'm currently running version 1.13. Regardless of whether "culturally linked" is selected or not, I almost always have most (or all) of the American tribes in my random games. In fact, in my last game, even though culturally linked was selected, my Vikings were the only european tribe in the game so I was stuck between the Incas and Mayans.

	13-01-2004 01:43									#5
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Perhaps it's just the (un)luck of the RNG.

I've played several epic C3C games so far and it seems that I'm frequently competing w/ the Aztecs and the Byzantines. (BTW, Aztecs always seem to fare better than Byzantium. Just an observation.)

If you want truly random, then put all the civ names on pieces of paper and draw them out. Those will be your opponents. Or use a Bingo ball scrambler, or some other randomizer.

Yeah, you'll know the civs before the game starts, but you're likely to know them soon enough anyway. Or you could have someone else put them in for you during the game setup.

Steven

	13-01-2004 01:52									#6
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Im getting lots of American Civs as well with Random.

	13-01-2004 02:31									#7
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Me too, in fact.

	13-01-2004 03:00									#8
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I dont play much SP but I did laugh when the other 3 on a tiny were all the mesoamerica tribes.

	13-01-2004 03:29									#9
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at warlord, usually against only 3 or 4 other civs, i have never had a game without either the greeks or the egyptians (usually both). also extremely common for me have been the zulu and romans.

i wouldn't be surprised if there were sets of civs weighted for each difficulty level.

i also wouldn't be surprised if it was just the autistic rng in action.

	13-01-2004 05:52									#10
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quote: Anyone notice when you pick random Civs..90% of the time the Incas, Aztecs, Amercians, Iroquois, and Mayans are in your "Random" game?

No.

	13-01-2004 06:18									#11
	Re: Random Civs aren't so random. A bug? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Artifex Anyone notice when you pick random Civs..90% of the time the Incas, Aztecs, Amercians, Iroquois, and Mayans are in your "Random" game.

Yes.

	13-01-2004 07:02									#12
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Come to think of it, I've noticed that too. This is not really conclusive, of course, but it's a starting point for further investigation.


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