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Sahib is offline Sahib
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Hello and welcome to game "Newbie"!

I will be your GM for this little adventure. As the name implies, this game shall introduce the new players on Apolyton to our way of playing Diplomacy.

Unfortunately "our way" for some Apolytoners means "heck with deadlines, the others can wait". This, however, is not "my way" and will therefore not be tolerated.

If you have any questions during this game, feel free to ask me anytime. Iīll do my best to answer. Just one type of question is not allowed: "What would be my best move?"

I will provide you with deadlines, resolutions and (simple) maps. For maps it would be best if you download a mapper. I will use "Realpolitik" You can download the programm for free here:
http://www.mindspring.com/~jvsquare/download.html

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Now for some general rules. Some of these I had already posted on the other thread:

1) All communication with the GM is via email. My email adress exclusively for this game is:
newbie-gm@gmx.de
ICQ messages might be read by me, but thereīs no guarantee. My ICQ is 43251116

2) Classic diplomacy rules apply. So do the classic english country abbreviations. Additionally, I require that whenever a player supports or convois a foreign unit, that unitīs country must be clearly stated. Example for a french order to convoi an english unit:

F ENG C english A Lon - Bel

4) There will be no grace period. A player who does not submit moves within the deadline is declared NMR, his units are set on hold.

5) Preliminary moves are strongly encouraged. This way you can avoid NMRs.

6) You can send moves ahead of the deadline any time. Unless they are marked final, I will not process them before the deadline.

7) If you mark your moves "final", I will process them ahead of time, if I have "final" sets of moves from all players. Until I have them from all players, you can of course always change your moves again. You should in his case mark them something like "final-2".

8) When you send moves, please always state in the subject the game name, your country and the season. Example:
"Newbie F02 England"

9) Any player who NMRs thrice will be replaced.

10) No conditional moves are allowed.

11) The game is considered an Apolyton Diplomacy Club game. Therefor all NMRs and the final results are counted against your ADC ranking.

12) Should disagreement arise over any GM decisions, an appeal can be sent to the ADC president. IIRC that is Lordstone1.

13) Everybody is to have fun.

Sahib is offline Sahib
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Now for the most important: COUNTRY ASSIGNMENTS!!!

Russia: Napoleon
Germany: WarVoid
England: Taurus
France: Yoav
Austria: Builder
Turkey: Sirotnikov
(and the winner is Italy: Defiant

(Sorry, Defiant, but you are probably the most experienced player in this game )

AND THE DEADLINE!!!!!

The spring 01 moves will be due saturday, the 20th of January, 7pm GMT (9pm Israel, 2pm EST).

I allowed 12 days from today because the first talks usually need more time. After spring 01, the (spring and fall) moves will be due every seven days, always saturday, 7pm GMT.

Retreats will ALWAYS be due 48 hours after the resolution came out. Builds will be due either 24 hours after the retreats or - if there are no retreats - 48 hours after the resolution. I will of course always give out specific deadlines so that nobody gets confused.

Finally, I advise that everybody confirms here again that he is with us. Please also give your ICQ and email for everyone to know.

Cheers and good luck everyone,
Sahib

[This message has been edited by Sahib (edited January 08, 2001).]

Builder is offline Builder

Feb 2001
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ehhm...

I have a small unsignificant question.


HTF I play?

Defiant is offline Defiant
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Builder,
First you start talking to your neighbors, I am one of them in Italy. You have units on the board, A-Vie, A-Bud and F-Tri. After talking with your neighbors you try to decide who is probably going to be your friend or enemy and you moves your units in response to that, goal still being to gain SC's, the countries with circles in the middle.
A standard Austrian moves sequence is
Vie-Gal, sometimes to bounce Russia out of Gal if he is moving there from War, again you must discuss this kind of tactics with other players.

A-Bud-Serbia, Serbia is an SC and will gain you a build in the fall season if you maintain it.

F-Tri-Albania, this sets you up in the fall move for A-Ser supports F-Albania - Greece, which is a second build.

Again this is just a sample move sequence, but you should get the general idea.

Questions?

Builder is offline Builder

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1) yeah, where are the maps?

2) builds?

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Builder, perhaps this will assist you in learning more about Diplomacy. This is a link to a tutorial developed by one of our members (SnowFire) for the purpose of assisting new players. I think it's a good instructional tool, and in the absence of the rules which we theoretically cannot post because of copyright laws, it's the next best thing.

http://us.toto.geo.yahoo.com/toto?s=76001072


Please feel free to e-mail me if you have further questions after perusing the tutorial.

Iain Lindley
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Um, forgive me for asking, but since when has Defiant been a newbie?

Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
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Feb 2000
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No fair!!!

I am sick and couldn't log on so I am now Turkey?

*makes turkey sounds*
*people don't laugh*
oh well.

okey dokey now.

My ICQ : 18345800
My E-mail : al_si@netvision.net.il
Another E-mail : (I check it once a week or so) Zsystems@yahoo.com
Another E-mail : (once a month) gluec@hotmail.com
Finally: (once a year) Sirotnikov@whatthe****.com
it exists really.

Yoav is offline Yoav
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Israel
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Yay, I'm France : OK OK now...

Again: I'm Yoav - ICQ UIN# 3849349 (Username Yoav)
E-mail: tzurhome@netvision.net.il; though I prefer receiving ICQ messages (I hate outlook and my Netscape is problematic... grrr... Sirotnikov claims this is because I am stupid. He is wrong.) .

Defiant is offline Defiant
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Siro,
Having a bad day
email vlholtz@charter.net
email seanc@coredcs.com
ICQ# 46172786

Siro, you might want to talk to Italy(me) we can formulate destructive plans for others.

Yoav is offline Yoav
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AAhh defiant aren't you ever available on ICQ? how do you expect me to talk to you? using E-mail? eeeuch!

Taurus is offline Taurus
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Oct 2000
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I'm England (I'm Taurus).

E-Mail: angry_taurus@hotmail.com

ICQ# : 52073195

Have Fun!!!

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Proud member of the state of Israel.

Defiant is offline Defiant
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Some of us have to work, I will be on later tonight but what is the time difference between us? My ICQ is always up due to cable modem speed, not that much faster.

WarVoid is offline WarVoid
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Apr 2000
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I'm here.

Ok, you all can send your lies to me over ICQ or email and whichever one is best i'll believe...

UIN # 73438757

E-Mail: warvoid@aol.com

I'm on ICQ every night if you need to contact me.

Yoav is offline Yoav
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Israel
Jan 1970
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OK my new special E-mail is now YoavDip@hotmail.com .
Please do not use the E-mail I posted earlier unless I do not respond for a few days or so.
Thanks!

Yoav is offline Yoav
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OK just so it's easier I'm posting this table:

Name--------Province------ICQ#-------E-mail
Builder-----Austria-------29442827--shadowmn@netvision.net.il
Defiant-----Italy---------46172786--vlholtz@charter.net
Napoleon--Russia-------55815949--TheNapoleon85@hotmail.com
Sahib--------[ GM ]------43251116--newbie-gm@gmx.de
Sirotnikov--Turkey-------18345800--al_si@netvision.net.il
Taurus------England-----52073195--angry_taurus@hotmail.com
WarVoid----Germany----73438757--warvoid@aol.com
Yoav--------France-------5849349---YoavDip@hotmail.com

Have a good game all!

Edit: Ordered it a bit, added Napoleon's ICQ.
P.S. Am I the only 7 digit ICQ# still alive?
[This message has been edited by Yoav (edited January 12, 2001).]

Sahib is offline Sahib
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Thanks, Yoav.

I will not be on ICQ much, so please donīt send any messages there that you want delivered quickly and reliably.

Napoleon Bonaparte II is offline Napoleon Bonaparte II
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Dec 2000
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Yoav is offline Yoav
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Grrrr.... stupid rules...
I read the tutorial and saw some rules that are different from what I know:
- If you lose all your home CS's you do not lose, you can take them back.
- Passaing through an SC during the spring do not grant you with control over it.
- You must specify if you support a unit to move/attck or stay in place (while when I played it we only needed to order 'Prv#1 sup Prv#2' and then Prv#1 would support whatever action done by Prv#2, as long as it is possible.
- in order to disrupt a convoy, the fleet must be dislodged, it is not sufficient to just attack it.

Yoav is offline Yoav
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Israel
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And something I just didn't see any notation of in the guide: Are spontanious disbands allowed? i.e. can I just order something like
Mao disband
in say the Fall
so I can build an army in, say Paris?

Defiant is offline Defiant
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Aug 1999
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Yoav,
You can not just disband a unit, at the end of a fall turn if you have 7 units on the board and on 6 SC's then you can disband a unit at your leisure, you can also disband a unit if you have to retreat. Instead of retreating with unit you can request a OTB(Off The Board) for that unit. That can happen within any season, not just fall or spring.
Does this help?

Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
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The rule about having to conquer a SC in fall really bothers me.

I didn't saw it in anyother standart rules on the internet.

Do you actually play according to it?

Defiant is offline Defiant
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Siro,
You can conqueor an SC at any time but you have to have unit stationed there in the fall turn to gain a build, it is an extreme vital part of the game and no deviation of that rule is ever played, that I know of.

Yoav is offline Yoav
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Defiant: I knew all that, but thanks anyway for you good will
Anyway when I played this gameyou could capture a SC in the spring, and then leave it - and if noone else enters it by the next fall - it counts as your SC. Anyway, I'll play by your rules. Will have to rethink my tactics, but - oh well.

Yoav is offline Yoav
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And another question: When I tried some things out in this Realpolitic, it seemed to me that you can build new units in any SC of your property. Is that right? I haven't seen this ANYWHERE, including the official rulebook... guess it's a bug?

Defiant is offline Defiant
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You can only build on one of your HOME SC's that you start with

Yoav is offline Yoav
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Good that's what I thought. Thanks.

WarVoid is offline WarVoid
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Can we get a normal map? That "realpolitik" program dosen't run on my system and my folks have a thing against me downloading stuff on thier comp...

Sahib is offline Sahib
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We can use another mapping software, np. Just tell me wich and Iīll use it. However, I cannot do a map myself, call me oldfashioned or stupid, but I donīt know how to do it.

As for Realpolitik: itīs not a bug. To build new units you must not use the map editor. Just wait for the winter turn and the program will let you place units, and those can only be placed in home SCs. At least in my version (the newest) that works perfectly.

BTW, let me stress that the deadline is not dependend on maps. I will post the resolution always as fast as I can. If the map comes later, or if by some technical problems a player cannot open the map, that does NOT effect the deadlines. So I strongly advise that you keep track of the game not only by any maps but by the game resolutions (the moves with all the abbreviations, you know)

 
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