14-01-2004 21:14									#1
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his wife, Joyce, have donated $100,000 to help fund a Pentagon memorial for the 184 victims killed there on September 11, 2001, sources said.

Believed to be the largest single gift to the project so far, the donation comes as fund raising for the memorial is going slowly.
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/14/ru...rial/index.html

Kerry and his wife have tons of money. Edwards is a multi-millionaire. Maybe the Dems running for President could donate to this memorial to show they care about the victims of 911?

	14-01-2004 21:17									#2
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I like how you re-defined "caring" to mean "the desire to donate big bucks to the Pentagon 9-11 memorial." I'll notify the good folks at the OED immediately.

	14-01-2004 21:23									#3
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I like how you re-defined "caring" to mean "the desire to donate big bucks to the Pentagon 9-11 memorial." I'll notify the good folks at the OED immediately.

Well, this memorial will serve to remember and honor the victims who died in the Pentagon on 9-11.

Helping to build such a memorial is a good thing, isn't it?

	14-01-2004 21:24									#4
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Yes, but it doesn't define "caring."

	14-01-2004 21:27									#5
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Yes, but it doesn't define "caring."

It can demonstrate you care in a concrete way. Just saying you care about something is nice, but actually doing something is better!

	14-01-2004 21:27									#6
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Jeez... when I think there is hope for this country some asshat turns a charitable giving into a partisan bashfest.

	14-01-2004 21:34									#7
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat It can demonstrate you care in a concrete way. Just saying you care about something is nice, but actually doing something is better!

Not donating to the Pentagon memorial is not equivalent to "doing nothing" to care about 9-11 victims. I didn't donate to this particular memorial either... does that mean I didn't care when I wrote the personal $250 check for one of the many 9-11 victim funds a couple of years ago, or when I organized an office donation drive and convinced management to match dollar-to-dollar all donations made by employees (over $1,500, meaning a check of over $3,000 was sent)?

And do you know that the others haven't donated? No, you just know that Rumsfeld has openly PR'd the fact that he did.

	14-01-2004 21:35									#8
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Wow, diplomat...you've even managed to rankle two staunch Republicans with this steaming pile.

How about you go look up how much money Kerry and Edwards have given to charitable causes, including those relating to 9/11, before you make these kind of revolting generalizations?

What bad taste.

	14-01-2004 21:36									#9
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Good for Rumsfeld. The rest of the post is asenine.

	14-01-2004 21:39									#10
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Actually, the check I made out was to an organization that specifically helped the Pentagon victims - my wife made the perfectly good point that the WTC tower victims were getting a disproportionate amount of the TV press (better footage, obviously ) and that the Pentagon victims were relatively... "uncared for", to use your phrase, diplomat.

	14-01-2004 21:41									#11
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Obviously the Diplomat feels uber liberals like Ted Turner are wonderful people given the huge amount of money they have donated: when will those rich conservatives like Forbes start donating their billion! Shame on all conservatives!

	14-01-2004 21:44									#12
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Well, there's the question of who TT is giving the money to, GePap.

Of course the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has $24 billion in funding. I guess that means they "care" more than Ted... or me, even.

	14-01-2004 21:44									#13
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Has Bush donated to this fund? If not, he must be a heartless communist bastard who bathes in the blood of small children. Obviously.

	14-01-2004 21:45									#14
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Is Gates a dem or repub, anyone know?

	14-01-2004 21:45									#15
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At least he mercifully kills the kids before he drains their blood, unlike those Liberal Kennedy bastards!

	14-01-2004 21:47									#16
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Is Gates a dem or repub, anyone know?

He was largely apolitical until he started having political heat applied to him... I recall reading that MS didn't even have permament lobbyists in DC until 1993, 94 or so. From the little that I've read, he spreads the wealth relatively across-the-board, with an eye to those who are in position to do MS greater harm/good.

	14-01-2004 21:56									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Wow, diplomat...you've even managed to rankle two staunch Republicans with this steaming pile. How about you go look up how much money Kerry and Edwards have given to charitable causes, including those relating to 9/11, before you make these kind of revolting generalizations? What bad taste.

No, not bad taste, just good trolling!

	14-01-2004 22:02									#18
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If I thought you were clever enough to troll, I might buy that bit of backpeddaling. But no dice.

	14-01-2004 23:54									#19
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to Rumsy

Normally I would complain about the PR aspect of public donations, but since they were probably trying to get additional attention to help spur other donations, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, THIS TIME.

	15-01-2004 00:00									#20
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I'm more impressed with people who donate large amounts amounts of money without having to brag about it (publicizing their donations).

	15-01-2004 00:12									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I'm more impressed with people who donate large amounts amounts of money without having to brag about it (publicizing their donations).

Exactly.

	15-01-2004 00:15									#22
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Monk -- I think you have a high fever or something -- you posted a reply to one of my posts without trolling me.

	15-01-2004 01:45									#23
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quote: No, not bad taste, just good trolling!

Trolling people on the same end of the political spectrum?

	15-01-2004 01:48									#24
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quote: Originally posted by rah to Rumsy Normally I would complain about the PR aspect of public donations, but since they were probably trying to get additional attention to help spur other donations, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, THIS TIME.

From reports I heard on TV, they originially wanted the donation to be private.

	15-01-2004 02:51									#25
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Thank you. I hadn't heard that.

	15-01-2004 04:06									#26
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This is one of those cases where if you don't have anything good to say about it, you should just shut up.

	15-01-2004 04:51									#27
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Monk -- I think you have a high fever or something -- you posted a reply to one of my posts without trolling me.

No high fever here, but seriously, thanks for caring! On several occasions, I've become annoyed at various PC issues you've put foward... but that doesn't mean you're not right once in a while.

	15-01-2004 05:47									#28
	Re: Rumsfeld and wife donate to Pentagon 911 memorial Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by The diplomat -------------- WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his wife, Joyce, have donated $100,000 to help fund a Pentagon memorial for the 184 victims killed there on September 11, 2001, sources said. Believed to be the largest single gift to the project so far, the donation comes as fund raising for the memorial is going slowly. ... ---------------- http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/14/ru...rial/index.html Kerry and his wife have tons of money. Edwards is a multi-millionaire. Maybe the Dems running for President could donate to this memorial to show they care about the victims of 911?

Kerry threw his medals away. He hates the military.