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Kuciwalker is offline Kuciwalker
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I'm wondering what exactly is the wording of the Hippocratic Oath that doctors take. According to a book we got in Humanities about the history of philosophy (Sophie's World) it's this:

quote:
I will follow that system or regimen which, according to my ability and judgement, I consider to be for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deletrious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to anyone if asked nor suggest any such counsel, and in like manner I will not give to a woman the means to produce an abortion. Whenever I go into a house, I will go fro the benefit of the sick and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption, and further, from the seduction of females or males, whether freemen of slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice, I see or hear which ought not to be spoken abroad, I will keep secret. So long as I continue to carry out this oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men in all times, but should I violate this oath, may the reverse be my lot.


(the bolded part is what makes me think they must use a different version)

Harry Tuttle is offline Harry Tuttle

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  Old Post 15-01-2004 01:37
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Probably since it was written back in ancient Greece about a bazillion years ago there have been numerous renditions of the oath. Check out this website for a modern day survey.

http://www.imagerynet.com/hippo.ama.html

1. In 1993, 98% of schools administered some form of the Oath.

2. In 1928, only 26% of schools administered some form of the Oath.

3. Only 1 school used the original Hippocratic Oath.

4. 68 schools used versions of the original Hippocratic Oath.

5. 100% of current Oaths pledge a commitment to patients.

6. Only 43% vow to be accountable for their actions.

7. 14% include a prohibition against euthanasia.

8. Only 11% invoke a diety.

9. 8% prohibit abortion.

10. Only 3% prohibit sexual contact with patients.

VJ is offline VJ
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Dec 2001
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Skywalker has become another dogmatic idiot who uses bible and books alike to create fundamental 'facts' which should be obeyed.

Down he goes to ignore.

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Nov 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
10. Only 3% prohibit sexual contact with patients.


Sprayber is offline Sprayber

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Oct 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by VJ
Skywalker has become another dogmatic idiot who uses bible and books alike to create fundamental 'facts' which should be obeyed.

Down he goes to ignore.



Tell me what part of his post cause your hissy fit?

Arrian is offline Arrian
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Methinks VJ read a little too quickly.

Read it again, man.

-Arrian

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Everyone is so eager to be outraged here, that they don't even read the posts anymore.

The Emperor Fabulous is offline The Emperor Fabulous
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VJ, by placing skywalker on ignore, obviously wishes for a facist regime to take control of what people think and say at all times, and as such has also pledged to aid in the destruction of the environment, books on tape, and Canada.

Down he goes to ignore!

GePap is offline GePap
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abortions were probably very common back in acient times- though under what philosophy hipocrates saw abrotion as wrong for a doctor to aide would be nice to know.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Aug 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by VJ
Skywalker has become another dogmatic idiot who uses bible and books alike to create fundamental 'facts' which should be obeyed.

Down he goes to ignore.


That's pretty amusing, since skywalker is an atheist.

Sprayber is offline Sprayber

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That's pretty amusing, since skywalker is an atheist.


He will put you on ignore too for being the anti-gay activist that you are.

BeBro is offline BeBro
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quote:
Originally posted by Sprayber
Everyone is so eager to be outraged here, that they don't even read the posts anymore.


Yeah why wasting time with reading, letŽs simply call everyone fascist

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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quote:
Originally posted by Sprayber
Everyone is so eager to be outraged here, that they don't even read the posts anymore.


How dare you suggest such a thing, swine.

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quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov


How dare you suggest such a thing, swine.


I must have outraged you. Don't put me on ignore..

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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quote:
Originally posted by Sprayber
He will put you on ignore too for being the anti-gay activist that you are.


Damn queers, always trying to suck my ****.

Agathon is offline Agathon
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  Old Post 15-01-2004 02:38
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I'm thinking of putting Sprayber on ignore because his avatar looks like it is staring at me.

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The original

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctor..._classical.html

Probably a bad translation.

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quote:
Originally posted by Agathon
I'm thinking of putting Sprayber on ignore because his avatar looks like it is staring at me.


I could put sunglasses on it.

BeBro is offline BeBro
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Got spare money?

IŽd put you on ignore for that.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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To me it seems to be looking disapprovingly at his own posts.

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Just making sure none of the enemies of the American way sneak up and corrupt the truth and richousness of my wisdom.

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Now he's glaring at the word "richousness"

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Wow, so all doctors today violate the original, since doctors seem pretty willing to cut open thier patients...

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quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
To me it seems to be looking disapprovingly at his own posts.


Cured!

Arrian is offline Arrian
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quote:
Now he's glaring at the word "richousness"


Disapprovingly, even.

-Arrian

edit: damn, the spam is posts are flying fast.

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IsnŽt it the Hypocritical Oath?

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I request that the mods change the title of this thread cause it isn't about the Hippocratic Oath anymore

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Shush, they'll close it, and it's the best thread going as of now.

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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Oct 2000
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  Old Post 15-01-2004 03:22
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
Wow, so all doctors today violate the original, since doctors seem pretty willing to cut open thier patients...
If you had paid attention to the entire line "I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work", you would have seen that it was not saying such procedure was wrong, but that it was reserved by aggreement to another proffesion, the Surgeon (for long the Barber Surgen), whose functions would not merged with the Physician until modern times, mostly in the last 2 centuries (and which intergration is yet significantly incomplete). It was a gentelmens agreement not to compete.
You can see relics of the distinction yet in even the USA: my yellow pages list medical doctors until the category of Physicians and Surgeons. My mothers Cardiologist refered to her Cardiac Surgeon (better known higher priced in his specialty than the cardiologist was in his) as "just a plumber", ( for most of their hisotry surgeons were lower class than physicians and less educated than physicians.)
And by the way, there were university Doctorates in Divinity and Law before there were any in Medicine.

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So surgeons do not take any version of the oath., I assume? And are not most surgeons doctors now a day?

 
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