16-01-2004 07:16									#1
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Earlier this evening, I was watching the usual Lou Dobbs report and tonight, he discussed how education in Iraq was already making progress.


But what was not brought up (and I vouch that it wasn't brought up by any media segment on this topic), is that to what extent will Iraqi children be indoctrinated with blatant, unquestioning, pro-US propaganda and ideology by Iraqi teachers?

For instance -- will Iraqi children learn in their history classes how the United States used to be buddies with Saddam?


Interesting that the media did not bring this question up.

	16-01-2004 07:25									#2
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The United States was founded by means of rebellion against the British Empire. Today, the US and England are the best of allies.

Time passes. Allies and enemies change.

	16-01-2004 07:28									#3
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Speak for yourself. I still hate them Brit bastards for what they did to us!

	16-01-2004 07:30									#4
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And that is relevant to my thread how, Frantz??

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But what is the key to a new Mr. Fun?

	16-01-2004 07:31									#6
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Ok, so no one is interested in Iraq reconstruction now?

	16-01-2004 07:33									#7
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Well, the future of the Iraqi education process will be in the hands of the coming Iraqi ministry of education. The occupying authority will have about 1 year of schooling under its control- then we will see what new curriculum gets cooked up, and what happens with schools and Islam.

	16-01-2004 07:33									#8
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I thought your questions were a little ham-handed.

	16-01-2004 07:44									#9
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Since you mentioned Islam itself, GePap -- I wonder how much their education will be based on Western approaches/ideology.

	16-01-2004 07:47									#10
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Since you mentioned Islam itself, GePap -- I wonder how much their education will be based on Western approaches/ideology.

Well, the question is what sort of recognition Islam will get in the constitution-will Iraq delcare itself an Islamic state? (not in that clerics will rule, but that the state will recognize islam as the religion of Iraq) If it does, some level of Islamic insturction is likely, though who knows how orthodox.

	16-01-2004 07:51									#11
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What where the schools like before? Iraq was a fairly modern country and not fundementalist. Was there much propaganda or censorship, or was it was it pretty good (despite how underfunded I imagine it could've been)?

	16-01-2004 08:25									#12
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You have not answered the question, Mrfun.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap Well, the question is what sort of recognition Islam will get in the constitution-will Iraq delcare itself an Islamic state? (not in that clerics will rule, but that the state will recognize islam as the religion of Iraq) If it does, some level of Islamic insturction is likely, though who knows how orthodox.

What are all the different religious sects in Iraq as of now, anyway??

	16-01-2004 08:26									#14
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider You have not answered the question, Mrfun.

read your own sig

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun read your own sig

I'm challenging you to look within yourself and find out that you are capable of so much more when you are not a slave to materialism.

	16-01-2004 10:22									#16
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I'm a nice enough guy to have stood up for you commies in the other thread about communist education.



back off

	16-01-2004 10:31									#17
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I think we might consider taking a look at Afganistan to see what might come out of Iraq.

	16-01-2004 10:32									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun What are all the different religious sects in Iraq as of now, anyway??

Shia and Sunni Islam, Nestorian Christianity, and Judaism. There are probably more in the Kurdish areas. That region was always a hotbed for weird Islamic sects.

	16-01-2004 11:05									#19
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So to the extent that any worshipping-US propaganda is instilled into Iraqi education system, it will depend on which religious sect or political secular sect becomes predominant after Iraq is reconstructed.

	16-01-2004 23:28									#20
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Shia will be predominent in any system except a dictatorship. They are 80% of the population. It would be most undemocratic otherwise.

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Does anyone know the demographics of the Shia group? Are the predominantly affluent? How religiously active are the majority of the Shia?

	17-01-2004 01:17									#22
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Shia will be predominent in any system except a dictatorship. They are 80% of the population. It would be most undemocratic otherwise.

60% actually.

	17-01-2004 02:23									#23
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Mr. Fun your initial assesment that education molds overall public opinion is questionable. I think it much more likely that general Iraq public opinion will be derived mostly from media sources.

As such public opinion will be largely tied to who is doing the best media coverage both in the short term and long term.

	17-01-2004 02:30									#24
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Ogie -- I think it's a combination of both. Education and the media both play roles in shaping a society's norms and values.

	17-01-2004 02:36									#25
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Agreed. I simply believe the effect of media is a more immediate effect and has greater impact due to its large audience whilst education's audience is a much smaller segment.